I apologize for contradicting myself, I didn't type exactly what I meant in that first post regarding the newspaper article. I appreciate your respectful fact pointing out. This part is said in all honesty and not meant offensively or snobbishly at all: I think that there is, to some degree, a portion to being Greek that non-Greeks just can't understand. From the outside, Educated, for example, can see that they are a great organization that is true to eachother. But even as one of their best friends he isn't privy to their rituals, their bonds of brotherhood, their secrets and their lifelong connection. And I think that has a whole lot to do with why this matter may seem more trivial to some non-Greeks as opposed to Greeks. I know that, once I was fully active in my sorority, I became a part of a whole huge Greek system- not just Nu Beta Omicron, not just UCSC greeks, but all greeks everywhere. It's an facet of society, with its own standards of behavior, its own priorities, its own set of values. Maybe those of us who take our sister/brotherhood to be a part of that larger system find it easier to reflect on how the actions of a few can affect the whole. I feel like I do have some insight on this matter- after all, those of us who are Greek did live a good 18 or so years (at least) without being Greek....independents were never and presumably will never be Greek, so I don't expect them to comprehend the nuances behind what I'm saying. This is NOT to say that it's better to be Greek rather than not, or that my sorority or whatever is better than anyone elses. I think that maybe all of us taking the other end into account will make it easier for us to communicate....now don't I just sound like a psych major?