[PsiU1833]

Fall 2000 and I believe hazing does work, and im not talking about beating people with paddles or putting themselves into situations where they can die or be seriously injured. Pledges (yes my school still uses term pledges, pledge term , and rush), should have to earn the right to wear those letter and be called brothers. If it takes yelling then so be it. When a person accepts their bid and becomes a member thats just dumb, might as well join a co-op. My friend was part of a house that did that and also didnt haze, at the end of the semister after they lost half their pledge class , they asked to be hazed so that being in a house would mean something to them. Another thing the 3 top houses are also the 3 hardest hazing ones on campus and last time i checked it wasnt the 70's so somethings got to be working.
Also alumni come back and we tell each other stories and not alot has changed, and yes my chapter was considered old back in the 70's, before when hazing was "mainstream" in the greek system.