[FraterBob]

Delta Alum, thanks for your reply. I too pledged during the mid-60's. but although our experiences may have been similar, our Greek letters differ.

It was not my intent to totally defend hazing. Some of the hazing we endured could not even be described in a co-ed forum such as this, let alone justified.
And yes, I too survived!

It was merely my position, that some healthy doses of pledge class physical training, in itself, should not have been deemed unacceptable hazing per se.
Frankly, I would find some sweaty armpits to a pledge uniform, far less demeaning as paddle reddened posteriors!

Your comments regarding prior physical exams may have been well intended, but if you were of college age in the 60's you no doubt experienced pre-induction physical exam (s) for ROTC or your draft board on one or more occasions. Did you ever recall anyone failing one?

I would agree with you that Hell Week had no place immediately prior to final exams. We scheduled our "Help Week" and initiation in early April. This assured that we did not initiate anyone who flunked out at semester, and guaranteed the requisite supply of pledge labor utilized to keep the house going was available for most of the school year.
The closest thing we had to hazing during finals week, is that all pledges
sat at the library tables from 7pm until midnight studying, and needed permission of the pledgemaster or an active to get up to even get a drink of water or goto the bathroom.

And as to alcohol, no arguments from me. Our pledges were stricly prohibited from drinking any alcohol, period! The closest they came to alcohol was when they carried members beer tankards to the kegs to keep them full during parties or pledge activities.

So back to PT, in the entire scheme of things, what was the bid deal about pledges doing some push-ups?