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Actually Leiser, I'm from a traditional chapter. And I had some mild hazing when I was a pledge. There is absolutely nothing wrong with having the pledges clean the house, the purpose of a fraternity is not to gain the ability to haze the hell out of the pledges once you get initiated. If that's what you think it's about, then you shouldn't be a part of it. Sigep always has and always will have a zero tolerance policy on hazing. The reason fraternity dues are so high is to pay for insurance for the fraternity, becasue our carrier, Lloyds of London, sees us and all other fraternities and sorrorities as a huge liability. Why add fuel to that fire.
I did come from a traditional chapter, but seeing that system work along with getting a little older and wiser has made me see the inequities of that system. It is antiquated and quite often counterproductive.
Finally, about your comment that hazing is a long standing tradition, there is partial truth to that. There are some documented incidents of hazing dating back to the 1890's. However, those are very few and far between. So few that you really have to look hard to find them. Hazing didn't become prominent until after WWII, even though it did have rare occurances before that time. I will agree with you on one thing though. Things have gotten completly too pc. I don't think having madatory clean up hours, and study hours is a bad thing at all. But there has to be a line. There are many other ways of boding a pledge class that don't involve hazing. They just require a little more creativity.
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