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standing in line and being asked questions is in my opinion a very strong pledging technique and if nothing else convinces the pledges of the importance of learing thier shit, as for pushups, 20 isnt excessive, now excessive means it has no point, but if your doing it to let them see, this isnt a game, not a joke, so dont treat it that way, and you dont do it excessively AND actives do it WITH THEM like on FL then it isnt hazing imo
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