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Originally posted by ktsnake
It's kind of a discussion without a possible resolution when we aren't even approaching the definition of what we are discussing from the same angle. My fraternity's definition (and most NIC, maybe all) specifically includes activities such as pushups, lineups, etc.
Before we can argue whether or not it's hazing it would be helpful to be arguing about the same thing 
If you take what national orgs describe as hazing to be the true definition of it then you'd be pretty hard pressed to say what they do doesn't constitute hazing.
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Good point. It's just my opinion, didn't mean to start a ruckus. However, other people here seem so bent on these guys getting nailed because of their choice of a pledge program. Whether it's hazing or not, I don't think people here should be judging them as a bad fraternity just because they don't have everyone's version of a "perfect" program.
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