Duder, you seem like cool people, so we don't really need to get into it over ideological differences, real or perceived - just these observations:
1. I think you missed my point on the veal/eggs thing, then you strawmanned it - let's just leave it on the table
2. Consistent? uhh . . . you assume they're the same argument. They are not. They are not even necessarily about the same thing - for some people, the death penalty debate isn't about killing people - it's about effective deterrence (or lack thereof). For some people, abortion isn't about 'killing the babies' - it's about a choice, and not restricting a choice across the board based solely on spirtual beliefs that are NOT universal. I think you're being inconsistent, by requiring that only one wavelength of thought be examined, or that every issue be reduced to a common denominator when other aspects are available - use them all!
3. Your first paragraph doesn't jive for me - would it be more consistent to be anti-death penalty and pro-choice? If we play by your rules (which, as stated in #2, I won't), then the converse must also be a fallacy.
Anyway, I'll jump back on the Pabst wagon and head back home, just some thoughts to get the wheels turning
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Originally posted by Munchkin03
I think it's worth some thought that so many people who claim to be for the death penalty are also anti-choice. I think these people should be a little more consistent.
As for myself, I am virulently against the death penalty. I am looking for the information now, but I've read that the United States is one of the only First World countries that still practices the death penalty, and the others are on a list that would probably remind you of old Dubya's "axis of evil". When I find the list, I will post it. If the death penalty was given based on the severity of the crime, there would be another story entirely. But since it's not, there's a big flaw within the system. Also, what gives us the right to end someone's life, just because they killed someone? Two wrongs don't make a right!
Before we get on the veal vs. eggs controversy: has anyone ever seen footage of the hens who lay eggs? They are "kept in a cage and (are) not allowed to move and roam about" and they are injected with hormones for their entire lifes and their beaks are cut off. I don't know how I got on the egg tangent, but it is worth some thought. So, think about it.
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