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Originally posted by James
Ok you guys are killing me LOL!
Review my response earlier where I say that my final statement was a general observation.
Good now apologize  for getting taking my comments far out of context.
Now let me try this again!
My problems with your comments, directly, is that you seem to get caught up with the WORD hazing. Like religion, or rape, or racism, its a buzz word.
I am trying for the nTH time to get an intellegent dialouge about it.
Now, what we are talking about, or trying to, is that activities tradtionally thought as hazing also seem to inspire a great deal of primary group loyalty which is what we want out of our new member classes. Right?
So, and let me state this yet again, what similar activities can we do that take the place of traditional hazing activites BUT still inspire the same primary group loyalty.
And then how can we teach those activities to our chapters.
AND how can we weave these activites into a program.
AND how can we set up a system that evaluates and modifies this system!
There.
If someone is not familiar with what I mean about Primary Group Loyalty please ask.
Good now I am going to go watch some PORN about cheerleaders  .
'Night .
And please be specific.
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It's difficult to think that I was taking your post out of context when I was the only reply to which you could respond. Again I ask that we deal strictly with arguments and not argue about my intelligence. You can start another thread on that if you'd like.
As for hazing.. First before we can intelligently discuss something we might want to try and agree on a common definition. I'm sensing some sort of disconnect here. So please define what you would say hazing is and provide some specific examples if you could.
And yes, hazing does strike a nerve with many folks. They don't know why. For me it was a personal choice.. I wouldn't be going very far out on a limb if I said that ALL other fraternities at the time I joined the Sigma Nu colony were hazing. I joined because I had no wish to go through that. I felt it was beneath me and still do.
Anyhow... to address your question many national organizations have come up with excellent national programming. I believe Sig Ep has its "Balanced Man". Sigma Nu developed the LEAD program (stands for Leadership, Ethics, Achievement and Development). Our chapter uses ropes courses, lets the candidate class LEAD the brothers in running Greek Week and Homecoming. They run a social event, as well as their own fund raisers for their initiation fees.
Our Candidate Program is finished with what we call "Hell No Week".. (as opposed to Hell Week). Basically it's a week in which the Candidates and Initiates do things together like go out to comedy clubs, play capture the flag, hang out and parody other fraternity's hazing traditions. Our Candidates are very tight and since we're always close with them and their activities they are easily assimilated into the chapter.