I get so tired of hearing people say that hazing is necessary in the military. When I was in college, the Corps at Texas A & M was very large and they hazed horribly. (I don't know if they still do.) I remember one guy telling me how he crawled under the table and set all the new guys' napkins on fire--boy, did he think that was funny. He claimed that all the vicious stunts they pulled taught discipline.
Some coaches say that too--don't even get me going on nasty athletic hazing.
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