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Old 10-24-2002, 03:24 PM
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Re: Legally....

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Originally posted by Heather17
According to FIPG, the legal definition of hazing is as follows: Any action taken or situation created, intentionally, whether on or off fraternity premises, to produce mental or physical discomfort, embarrassment, harassment, or ridicule. Such activities may include but are not limited to the following: use of alcohol; paddling in any form; creation of excessive fatigue; physical and psychological shocks; quests, treasure hunts, scavenger hunts, road trips or any other such activities carried on outside or inside of the confines of the chapter house; wearing of public apparel which is conspicuous and not normally in good taste; engaging in public stunts and buffoonery; morally degrading or humiliating games and activities; and any other activities which are not consistent with fraternal law, ritual or policy or the regulations and policies of the educational institution.

So regardless of whether your national policy specifically says house cleaning is hazing-- it is.
That's word for word our national policy on hazing. I don't see in there where it forbids house cleaning. I don't think it's "morally degrading", it dousn't "create excessive fatigue", if it produces physical or mental discomfort then as I said before it's not being done in a fair way.

Recall that Beta's example says the duties are simply normal chores, not done to make them prove their worth but more to keep the house in good working order and to teach the new members the value of a clean house. I'd assume that if a brother makes a huge mess on his own he'd be personally responsible to clean it up himself.

We have a very specific list of items that must be done in each area when someone is assigned to a chore list. You'd have to have a very biased interpretation of that hazing policy in order to come to the conclusion that it is indeed hazing.

If a new member doesn't want to do it they could always just say so...
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