I am truly saddened by the people who feel they cannot truly bond with others without a physical trial-by-fire. I believe a bonding experience can be just as deep if the people involved are strongly desirous and they are given reasonable tasks to accomplish. There is strength in learning and there should be no physical pain or deprivation in order for a person to become a sister or brother. I love my sorors because I can truly "count" on them to help in any situation--I know I wouldn't love anyone who "beat me down". But as many of you have stated, this dialogue continues many years after the moratorium on hazing, but the emotional and monetary costs are staggering to the very organizations we profess to love. So Sad.