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Originally posted by DoggyStyle82
Sorry, Bruhs and others don't respect me because I'm older chronologically. Its because they respect the process of my period and can rightly assume the adequacy of my process without reservation. Something that can't be said now. The whole basis of this thread people trying to defend the ease of their process by juxtaposing it to the worst case scenario of those drownings (which have nothing to do with a legitimate pledge process).
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I honestly don't think that this thread was started for people to find a scapegoat for the way they were initiated, pledged, brought in, made, what have you. Believe it or not, that feeling of inadequacy comes from what you deem respect. People decide to undergo pledgeship because they feel that they need to be respected. I say hats off to your 4 LB's who decided to drop. It takes a stronger mentality for you to be ostracized and ridiculed for not being able to "take the heat" and retaining your self-respect as opposed to being stupid and undergoing a considerable amount of humiliation and degradation to get respect. I'm sorry, but I personally weigh respect as something relative to who you are as a person, not how much stuff you can take off of me. You said you wouldn't embrace someone who had a "weak, watered down, CAT, paper" process. Well, believe me, for as many of those that you wouldn't embrace for lack of a process, there are just that many that wouldn't give a flying phuck about YOUR RESPECT. Respect is immaterial and so relative. The inadequacy isn't on the part of those that didn't do what you did, that inadequacey lies in you wanting to get on the net to blast people for not doing what you did. If your process was so adequate and tight, you would be sure in and of yourself for it and wouldn't spew out rhetoric condemning others for not doing so. If you appreciated so much of your process and did your process to feel personally adequate, then respect from those that brought you in wouldn't even be remotely an issue. Did it ever occur to you that there are some, such as AKA2D91, who do feel adequate in their process?
BTW, there are a lot of things that are done and have been done within a legitimate pledge process that were not once there. It's called people coming up with more creative haze/pledge methods. If you would be so kind, please name one fraternity or sorority that has a pledge program that was consistent, across the board, that every chapter followed. It's always a little something more, a little more wood, a little more ridiculous shit, a few more exercises, a few more errands, a week more in session... that end up in a big ass lawsuit. If pledging was as tight as you make it seem, then not one BGLO would have ever faced a lawsuit and people wouldn't have been maimed, injured, or killed in the pursuit. You say "it's those extreme cases". Well, exactly how extreme is extreme to you. And I sincerely doubt that during your day that those being affected by BGLOs in a negative manner didn't want to sue. They didn't have the effective means of taking legal action, because at that time hazing wasn't deemed illegal. Hazing wasn't reported or known of as often because the information medium either wasn't there or not that many folks knew of it (or maybe I'm assuming that internet and e-mail weren't widely available pre-1990).
Honestly, I think that there is some chip that you hold on your shoulder as a result of things that happened to you in your process, whether or not you did or did not allow let them happen.