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Originally posted by DoggyStyle82
Again, for someone who has 1 year in Greekdom, I don't know how you can possibly have a frame of reference as to what I'm speaking to......
Its out of control because just to say hello to an interest is considered hazing.
When is it acceptable to choose whom to call brother/sister? If you are a Christian, is not your sister in Christ someone who, like you, has accepted Jesus as her Lord and Savior, confessed her sins, and been Baptized in the name of the Holy Trinity.
Same for me...writing a check, filling out some paperwork, coming to meetings, serving on committees, showing up at community service means you are doing the work (kudos for that) but it does not make you a Bruh, nor bond you to me. If doing community service was the barometer, why not just extend membership to every employee/volunteer at homeless/battered women shelters. No soror, a BOND is built on something quite different (at least for Omega). The first goal is Brotherhood. Delta is a "Service Sorority" so you have an entirely different mandate.
If our founders saw...? The ultimate red herring question. One of my founders wrote the pledge manual that I pledged under and he wrote the ritual, so by that token, he must have been in favor of hazing, because everything in there would be considered hazing today, punishable by expulsion and subject to litigation.
The solution: Cease being greek lettered societies and become open admission community service organizations. Eliminate the pretense and you will eliminate the need to pledge and be pledged.
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Well Que, there are some things in your post I can not challenge, simply because this is a public forum. But as for me being in Greekdom for 1 year,.... I really can't speak to that in this forum, but my knowledge/experience begins a long time before 2001.... ANd also, many times, people that cure diseases, don't necessarily have to have it.... to find a cure.
Also, as for you saying that your post did not mention violence, Kudos to you and your chapter if it's different there. Apparently things are a bit different in other places.
And as for the people dying and being put in the hospital being the extreme, again, Kudos to you if that's so rare where you're from that it can be considered an "extreme." I do know however, that for the families that suffer the grief over their son's or daughter's death, hospitalization etc... one is enough......
And as for the founders. I dare assert that THE 22 would frown if they knew people were dying or carrying out vile acts in their name/honour. But I guess it's different for frats.
Your points are clear,.... and true, as long as interests crave respect and acceptance from those that feel as you do, there will always be a problem, and there will always be those who seek membership at any cost...... as common sense and priorities go by the wayside.
As this lengthy discussion on this topic shows, the two viewpoints have a long way to go until a happy medium is reached. IF one is ever reached.
It is indeed sad times for BGLO's and most likely the last days of BGLO's as we know it.
I know you categorized yourself/your thinking as a dinosaur.....well que....dinosaurs are extinct.....and had they not become extinct,.... they would have destroyed all mankind, and we would not be here today.