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Originally posted by Happydaysf91
Well, personally...I wouldn't want to see the undergrads go away...however, there is much liability involved if we keep them around and cannot figure out a way to curb liability. Furthermore, like others have stated, this will not eradicate 'hazing' all together. We have seen where hazing occurs on the graduate level as well.....
I think someone eluded to an organization with a short process whose candidates/members may feel as though they are missing out on something. If you are joining any organization for simply the 'process'....you probably won't be around very much afterwards and we don't need you. The process mandated by my National organization, Alpha Kappa Alpha, is sufficient. Leaning does not end once you get in. It's a continuous process with numerous workshops/activities after you enter her precious doors. Therefore, if one feels that they are missing something because of the process...I say seek out another organization because we simply don't need anymore individuals who won't abide by our precious rules. Hopefully, they can provide you with what you are looking for. ....
Lastly...Kudos to DST and Omega Psi Phi for their disciplinary list on the web (listing suspended/expelled chapters/individuals). However, I often wonder now if we all need to provide a list of 'active'/'inactive' members as well. Inactive members as well as people who have never been part of our organizations (ghosts) can cause problems for us too. And none of us have this information posted or disseminated amongst the public.
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ALAS!!!!!!!!!!!!! A ray of light!! This is about solutions and I think you hit the nail on the head. Grad members do not have the time to run behind each undergrad and tell them what to do, because they are adults and they are going to do what they want!
And you're right, if it came to banning undergrad chapters, (which no one wants) this won't end all hazing, but it would be a HUGE a step in a direction to curb the majority of it. And actually, some of the people on this board are sadly mistaken if they think nationals aren't seriously considering this as a solution. I don't know about you all, but I'd like to see my sorority around in 2013!! And that's what the goal is!
Someone stated that sororities started with undergrads....really??...
But if this were still 1913, and our undergrads were lobbying to have meetings with the President of the US (as of our founders did), we wouldn't be even having this discussion. We are living in a different day and time, and the young people today are not the same as the 22 in 1913. We are living in a morally corrupt society and our value systems are drastically different from 2002 to 1913.
And lastly, this is NOT about grad vs. undergrad, that is idiotic.
THIS IS ABOUT OUR ORGANIZATIONS BEING AROUND TO CELEBRATE 200 YEARS OF EXCELLENCE AND BEYOND!!!!!!!!!!!! Not about arguing who's better or not.
Oh yea, Happydaysf91 - thanks for mentioning the GHOSTS in our orgs!! From my experience they are the main ones trying to get a process together!!! If you aren't NATIONALLY recognized.......
..........nuff said!!