[Happydaysf91]

Well, personally...I wouldn't want to see the undergrads go away...however, there is much liability involved if we keep them around and cannot figure out a way to curb liability. Furthermore, like others have stated, this will not eradicate 'hazing' all together. We have seen where hazing occurs on the graduate level as well.....

I don't know what the solution is. And I know that some people will say (and have stated) that grad chapters need to be inovlved more and we need an above ground process. But my question is...how do you think we got here in the first place? When there was an above ground process, things occurred outside the mandated 'sessions'.

And as far as grad chapters/members and grad advisors.....you have to understand...they have lives too outside the organization. I used to be a grad advisor. And a good one! But the chapter I was over still was involved in hazing. I went to step shows, was at the fundraisers, community service activities, parties and etc. It's like raising children....you teach them to be good, outstanding citizens and tell them right from wrong and you send them into the world each day hoping and praying that they will make good, sound decisions. You can't watch them 24/7. Well, its the same with an undergrad chapter. You crossed the girls...have meetings, tell them not to haze and the consequences of such and etc. and you go home and hope and pray they will follow your organizations rules (rules they 'pledged' to abide by). However, like with your own kids, some are going to follow the rules and some are not. You cannot watch them 24/7.

I think someone eluded to an organization with a short process whose candidates/members may feel as though they are missing out on something. If you are joining any organization for simply the 'process'....you probably won't be around very much afterwards and we don't need you. The process mandated by my National organization, Alpha Kappa Alpha, is sufficient. Leaning does not end once you get in. It's a continuous process with numerous workshops/activities after you enter her precious doors. Therefore, if one feels that they are missing something because of the process...I say seek out another organization because we simply don't need anymore individuals who won't abide by our precious rules. Hopefully, they can provide you with what you are looking for.

Lastly...Kudos to DST and Omega Psi Phi for their disciplinary list on the web (listing suspended/expelled chapters/individuals). However, I often wonder now if we all need to provide a list of 'active'/'inactive' members as well. Inactive members as well as people who have never been part of our organizations (ghosts) can cause problems for us too. And none of us have this information posted or disseminated amongst the public.

Have a wonderful, blessed day.