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Originally posted by Iris
Bottom line???? Just stop the hazing!!! It serves no purpose whatsoever!
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What makes you say that? Personally, I don't think that hazing serves a particularly positive purpose, but it definitely serves some sort . . . until we can convince people that they can accomplish the same things w/out hazing that they feel they do with it, then your "bottom line" won't be reached.
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Originally posted by Iris
A "pledge" in my sorority is called a "New Member". The word "pledge" is hazing itself. They are PLEDGING, but shouldn't be called PLEDGES. It's time for all of us to get rid of the ladder-systems in our organizations. Time to move forward......... Just stop the hazing and the issue is gone.
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Congratulations for eliminating the value-neutral term "pledge" while keeping its verb-form "pledging" . . . but how does this eliminate any sort of ladder system? On an implicit level, it does nothing to accomplish this.
Organizational change is required - not simple shift in pronoun usage. That's my point from earlier (and the point of the thread) - many Nationals set themselves up for hazing on the chapter level due to certain weaknesses in programming suggestions etc. Changing the name from "pledge" to "new member" doesn't prevent the "old members" from treating the "new members" like shit - only respect, intelligent programming, and strong leadership can accomplish that (among other things).
As an aside, all of what you suggested as a desirable outcome can be accomplished while referring to pledges as "pledges" . . . no?