Thread: Poor ole Jeb
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Old 09-12-2002, 10:33 AM
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lol, we have really gotten off topic here. Weren't we talking about Jeb's daughter?

[QUOTE]Originally posted by pbpck

It saddens me deeply to see a US citizen state what you have just said. And who exactly do you believe is the greatest nation in the history of the world? How could you pledge the allegiance and sing the national anthem with this belief? I am not trying to attack you, but understand the rationale behind your thought process. Understand why you would question the greatness of your own country? Or is it just for argument's sake?

I will admit that the United States is a great country. It is hard to deny that and I never will. I just think it's ridiculous to think that in the history of mankind, it is possible to name one country as the greatest. There have been too many nations, empires, city states etc, many of whom were considered the greatest in their own time, to be able to name one as the greatest of all time.


BUT I believe DURING A TIME OF WAR, a TIME WHEN OUR COUNTRY'S CITIZENS SHOULD FIND SOLIDARITY IN OUR FIGHT FOR SAFETY FOR ALL CITIZENS AND FREEDOM IN OUR COUNTRY, we should support our president. LibraSoul defined traitor. And by her definition, I do believe that it would be traitorous to stand in opposition to your president in wartime. I will hold it my duty as a proud citizen of his country to support my country's leader in his fight to protect my life and my freedom and the life and freedom of those that I love. To his abilities, President Bush is doing the best he can to protect his nation's safety.

I have to respectfully disagree with you here. I don't believe it is my duty to stand behind my president in time of war if I don't believe in him. During WWII, Americans turned a blind eye to concentration camps and Japanese internment camps in the name of solidarity. Looking back now, there is a sense of regret for not speaking out against them. Since September 11, untold numbers of American citizens have been detained and denied the right to a fair trial. The TIPS program that was announced this past summer asked citizens to spy on each other and report suspicious behavior. There were similar programs in place in the Soviet Union and communist China that told people to report their neighbors for behavior that went against the state. As long as policies like these are being carried out, I will not stand in solidarity behind my president.

Solidarity is a wonderful concept. During WWII, people bought war bonds, rationed their food and did what they could to help the cause. It is the same spirit that we saw after 9/11 when people gave blood, donated money and delivered food to the rescue workers. That is the type of unity and spirit that makes me love my country so much. Turning a blind eye to injustices in government policy is not true solidarity and patriotism to me.

I would like to question what LibraSoul would do in dealing with terrorist acts as she stated that war is not a necessary evil. If our country abstained from any wars, I highly doubt that our country would maintain the level of international power and respect it has today.

Surprisingly enough, (at least the people who know me find it surprising) I am not against the war on terror. It was successful in toppling the Taliban regime in Afghanistan. I hope that in the future, we aid in rebuilding the nation so that another Taliban can not take over.
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