[SilverTurtle]

Originally posted by madmax


2. even if your friend at Ohio state was hazed in front of the band director that doesn't mean that the band director took part or told the band that it was ok to haze.

If the band director(s) saw it and didn't do anything to stop it, then they DID take part in it. At least that's the law in my state. And it fits into most definitions I've read elsewhere.


3. we are not talking about 8 year old kids, we are talking about 18-23 year old adults that know hazing is illegal.

I never said that the participants (students) shouldn't be punished. Kick them out of the band, suspend, them, etc. But that doesn't mean you need to eliminate the program, only the participants. Particularly at schools where the band serves as an educational vehicle for music majors.


I think you are just trying to defend the band because you are in the band.

I'm not in the band. I was in band in HIGH SCHOOL, and there was no hazing. Well, the seniors were allowed to get on the buses for away games first. Maybe we'd better get rid of that band program right now.


Your excuse about leaders telling the band it is ok to haze doesnt hold water in my book. I could say the same thing aobut alumni telling a fraternity to haze, but that doesn't make it right.

If a band hazes then they should get the same punishment as a fraternity that hazes..

I never said it was an excuse.. in fact, I said quote: "I think the first step would be disciplinging the director/coach and then the band/team." I was merely stating that there are different circumstances as they are 2 completely different types of organizations.