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Originally Posted by Size_Small
1. No, you're right I shouldn't assume. Maybe dirty rushing is not the only violation of recruitment rules but surely a violation of recruitment rules = dirty rushing?
3. The Recruitment Rules (in the recruitment guidebook which is public info) specifically forbid phrases such as "you belong here" "I want to be your big sister" "See you tomorrow" and "we want you." Per the rules of MY school, what the active told my friend 2 years ago was a recruitment violation.
5. The alumna at the grad party told us that we would be receiving an invite to pref round at the least. I'm pretty sure that is a violation of recruitment rules at most schools.
Perhaps the school you went to or advise has different rules Titchou, but it's clear that this sorority has broken some rules. I have no reason to lie or speak badly of them. In fact I've admitted that my neighbor and good friend for a number of years is a member of this sorority and I have admitted that I think this is a very good house. The point of my post was not to "prove" that they dirty rushed but rather, accepting that fact, could you ultimately still choose to pref them in the end? I thank 1964Alum and you, Titchou, for your honest take on the matter.
As for your doubts, I hope I answered them in the other post. It's not too hard to figure out what girls wear to opening rounds, especially with social media being so proliferate. As I stated above, I do have neighbors and high school friends involved in my university's Greek Life, so stalking their albums for sorority activities is very easy!
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No re: 1 (above). Your logic is flawed. Instead of dirty rushing and violating recruitment rules, let's consider DWIs and getting arrested. If so, your statement might look like this:
"Maybe [DWI] is not the only [way to get arrested] but surely [getting arrested] = [DWI]?"
If someone was arrested, based on this logic, then you would say that "surely" it was because of DWI. But what if they were arrested for shoplifting? Or assault? Or a bench warrant for having too many unpaid parking tickets? Or something else?
I hope that makes it clearer for you. Here's a sorority-specific example, based on my understanding of "dirty rushing":
Panhellenic recruitment rules state that "Panhellenic sororities are not to exceed $10,000.00 in the purchase, rental, and donation of any new decorations for all periods of formal membership recruitment." Sorority ABC knew that it was getting close to the $10,000 amount with decorations, and thought it had accounted for everything--but someone forgot to include tax and delivery fees when making the calculations, and they ended up spending $10,009.92 because of the mistake, which they didn't realize until they started tallying up the receipts. Whoops, recruitment violation...but I wouldn't describe that kind of mistake as "dirty rushing," even though it was a violation of recruitment rules to spend more than $10,000 on decorations, as it was unintentional and did not involve bid promising, gossiping about other chapters, breaking silence rules, or anything directly impacting the PNM experience.
How do you define "dirty rushing"? Maybe the term is used differently than at schools I've attended. If you are using the phrase as a synonym for breaking any recruitment rule, then yes, any violation would be "dirty rushing" by your definition, but you would be incorrect in saying that "dirty rushing is not the only violation of recruitment rules."
Anyway, ultimately, you'll have to come to your own conclusions about where you're comfortable. If you're not comfortable with the chapter because of what was told to your friend when she went through recruitment, then you'll have to take that into consideration when ranking chapters. And it might not be relevant in the end, if that chapter doesn't invite you back at some point in the process. Maybe you should cross that bridge when you come to it?