[honorgal]

Originally Posted by 1964Alum

Thank you, pinksequins.

And honorgirl, no one is being "gullible", in your words, in seeing all these shades of gray in this very complex situation.

I think you have misunderstood my point. First of all, I wasn't referring to anyone here as "gullible". And I wasn't referring to the complexities in the situation, ie, the RS story and whether it is true or not true, or some variation I between.

I was directing that word at the Vox reporter, Sarah Kliff. She bases her entire thesis of what went wrong with the reporting of the story on the "fact" that Jackie said she tried to get herself dropped from the article. Did she get confirmation of that from RS, or even attempt to? If so, she doesn't tell us. Jackie's claim may very well be true, that she did ask. Or it may not be true. We simply have no idea, and Sarah Kliff apparently doesn't either.

If Jackie did try to get dropped from the story, then I agree with Sarah Kliff. And the reporter and RS have even more to answer for than previously thought.

Here's another explaination for what went wrong:

http://www.cjr.org/behind_the_news/r...bin_erdely.php

Nor do I think the Greek community can issue a collective "exhale" over the more recent Rolling Stone statements.

Not sure if this is directed at me, but I agree with you. There are some very loud and powerful voices intent on taking down the Greek system. As with most things, there are good points and negative points about that system. That these voices don't ackowledge the good is obvious. And they therefore are ignoring what might be the very negative consequences of achieving their goals. Does anyone here think that the alcohol culture would disappear without the Greek system? I think a case could be made that it would become worse.