[gamma_girl52]

I'm glad you decided to bring the original topic back, so let me address if I can.

Yes I did ask for opinions and comments, and actually I was anticipating some disagreement. But with having two different viewpoints...you'd be surprised of what comes from it. So I appreciate everyone's comments so far, especially from my female brothers.

Those are good points, and perhaps that is the root of the problem, the division (that's the word right there). And why is is still there if most of us are saying "it's bigger than this"? If I invited you to an event that my chapter was having and other brothers were going to be there, would you show up? Better yet would you be comfortable. That is where we are not seeming to get to in this...even though you have a lot of folks saying "it doesn't matter" the fear and uncertainty is still there.

And another thing. From what I have seen, those that are "in" this family may not necessarily agree with the initial reason why it was formed. Many want to move on from that (the exclusion thing) and focus on what they should have put more of a focus on in the first place, service. When I met some of these brothers (and these were some pre-76 and early 80's made) they were not even focusing on that.

They want to see the AA chapters (most likely all male) learn how to start taking care of business more efficently and not waste time on something that is already in effect. There are women in the frat-fine-so let's get down to some real business...these brothers brought paperwork with them to share with the other younger brothers. Like lifetime membership and how to start an alumni association. That is what needs to be going on. So many have moved on from that, because they are trying to get stronger and grow. Not because of the whole co-ed issue, but because they don't have a voice to get some changes made IF they want them or not.

Can you give me an example of your last statement where you've seen that occur?