[FuzzieAlum]

Hey, I can see both sides here, and I think it's a little rude to call people naive idealists who will never succeed in business just because they disagree with you.

It's true - folks in general don't want to join a chapter that isn't successful. Many people will stay independent if they can't get into a good organization. These folks shouldn't be cut out of Greek life - another org may be the answer.

I don't think "dweebiness" is a bar to success, at least for guys. A mid-sized fraternity on my campus is by its own admission full of geeks. Programmers, cloak-wearers, RPGers ... and they are dong well and getting their numbers. They just have their own niche. It's no different than being "the football fraternity."

But groups on the bottom CAN rise. I've seen it. Another group that was definitely on the bottom on my campus for years (12 members total in a good year) has managed to bring their numbers up to 21 over the past year and is changing their reputation.

However, I'm glad that in the meantime other fraternities were allowed to come on campus. In the last 8 years, one chapter was closed (behavior, not numbers), and two have been successfully established. Another has come back from some serious problems that led to the loss of their house.

Yeah, our sorority system hasn't grown. And maybe Panhellenic should have allowed the national that wanted to colonize to do so, instead of protecting the two chapters below ceiling. But some gals tried to found a local, and it was a dismal failure, because they couldn't drum up the interest - not because Panhel or the other Greeks or the school said no.