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Originally Posted by KDCat
Not everybody has $15,000 - $20,000 extra dollars to spend every year to go to an out-of-state school or a private school. IU is a deal for in-state students. They shouldn't be forced to choose between tuition dollars and Greek Life.
Not when this problem is an artificially created problem that can be easily corrected.
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Thank you KDCat. This is a point that often gets overlooked. Some girls just don't have the money to go to an out of state school. IU and Purdue are both excellent schools they just focus on two very different career paths.
For those who do, in addition to tuition, out of state girls often incur travel costs, moving costs and shipping costs depending on how far away she is from home. I know a lovely young lady from New Jersey who attends IU and if she did not have other family from Indiana she would not be with family on Thanksgiving or Easter. It's too much money to buy plane tickets for more than two holidays. She can get two suitcases full of clothes here but she had to ship the rest out.
The problem could be corrected fairly easily. Adopt campus total. Set it at the average chapter size, like every other school in the country (and some in Canada
). This change would not be devastatingly drastic to any chapter and it would level the playing field. Those chapters who have to COR might realize how many great women there are out there.
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Originally Posted by WhiteRose1912
They're cutting girls they invited to pref. They DO want these girls, they just don't want to lose the reputation of exclusivity. It's not a Tufts situation.
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Yes, RFM was supposed to cut down on this but if a girl is on each chapter's third list she might not get placed. However, IU could do a better job of adding QAs, only a few chapters take them currently.
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Originally Posted by BlueCarnation
Agreed. It's interesting...the administration here is trying to force some changes to recruitment that we don't think we're going to want. Maybe we can convince them to go down and work with IU instead? |
I think it would be amazing if the national organizations got involved in an educational way. Show the IU collegians how recruitment is done at other schools of similar size: Pac 12, SEC, Big 12. Show the chapters how much more money they could have coming in with just 20 more members. How much more they could do with their philanthropies with just 20 more members. Maybe education is the key to change.
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Originally Posted by TriDeltaSallie
This is what it boils down to for me.
No chapter should be required to take girls they don't want. I don't think anyone here is advocating that.
But it is flat out wrong and rude to allow women to complete the entire process and even have a FULL schedule for pref and end up with NOTHING. It's WRONG. It's rude. It's completely contrary to the most basic of human kindness such as the Golden Rule which I'm sure is stated in some form or another in the values we all espouse to hold.
If chapters don't want those women, then drop them beforehand. I have no problem with that. If a woman is released completely before preference, it is sad and unfortunate, but it is part of the selection process. But there is NO WAY women should play by the rules and do everything asked of them and then get nothing after attending pref and listing all the groups on their cards.
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The chapters do want these women, it's just that they wanted 42 more. I know it's hard to wrap around, but sometimes girls put themselves in this position when ranking. They like AAA better than BBB because it is "top tier" so they ranked it higher. They were on AAA's third bid list, but might have been on BBB's first list for whatever reason. Girls often rank with the tent talk in their ears rather than the logic in their minds. Not always, but it happens.
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Originally Posted by ASTalumna06
I don't think she's suggesting there would be a drastic change. It's just that things are already tense and heart-breaking in this environment, so why make it worse? I think the PNMs feel a little more "ripped off" this year because they had even less time to meet with the chapters. It makes the selection process seem even more random and arbitrary.
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ASTalumna06, I do think some of this is true. I did talk with a wonderful young lady who mentioned that she wished she had an extra round to meet more sorority women. Maybe she would have met someone she click better with and that person might have pulled for her. I am sure it has crossed their minds some.