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Originally Posted by Jeff OTMG
Where did you get that guns were have a causal effect on homicide or suicide? I specifically was addressing suicide and showed that absolutely no causal effect based on the complete absence of firearms in Japan yet having a suicide rate DOUBLE that of the US.
As far as homicides go, there are countries with no guns, or very few guns, with homicide rates MUCH higher than here. Remember that we are the third most populous country in the world and have nearly one gun for every man, woman, and child here, about 300 million!!
In 2007 there were 12,632 homicide deaths due to firearms. Let's assume that a different gun was used in each homicide. That is something like a .00004% (that's 4 100,000ths of 1%) misuse of firearms. The only reason that the deaths look large is because there are over 300,000,000 people in US.
Again, from my post, where did you see that my statements supported the idea that gun control would help?
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You were using a 50% firearm suicide rate as argument that firearms cause fewer deaths than simply homicides. If this isn't what you were arguing, then I don't see all the suicide rate statistics as necessary. As an educated individual with 2 strictly mathematics and statistics degrees, I can divide, thanks.
The bottom line is, extra guns floating around can cause extra deaths. In Texas you can use a student ID as valid ID to purchase a gun, but it isn't valid as ID to vote.... there's something wrong with gun control laws when this is the reality of our nation.