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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid
If somehow this does get picked up by the feds as this being a hate crime, I wonder what else besides the recording and the supposed story about his warning others neighbors about black people they would have to go on.
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Was he warning other neighbors about Black people or warning other neighbors about strangers to the neighborhood, most or all of whom were Black? There is a difference so the question will be whether Zimmerman's alleged intent (which cannot be proven without documentation or mind reading) matters or the obvious outcome.
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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid
Well, either way, I won't worry about that right now. I am just glad that step one has been done, he has been arrested and hopefully this will be done by this time next year.
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True.
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Originally Posted by MysticCat
The problem with this and its relevance to Zimmerman is that you're talking about your perspective and your reaction. It doesn't matter to you whether the person who looks suspicious is black or white or other, and race doesn't enter into your calculation of whether someone looks suspicious or not. Ditto status or class.
But the fact that these things wouldn't matter to you is irrelevant to the question of whether they mattered to Zimmerman. They might not have mattered to him or they might have -- we'll just have to wait and see. I don't know and I don't want to speculate one way or the other.
But in a hate crimes analysis, what will be determinative is not whether a reasonable person could have found Trayvon Martin's actions/presence to be suspicious without any reference to his race, but (as DrPhil said) whether Zimmerman targeted him on the basis of his race.
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And most people when on the record will say "race, social class, and status" do not matter just as people say the ridiculous "it doesn't matter whether you're Black, white, Asian, orange, purple, green" as though creating a orange, purple, and green people is a necessary overstatement to prove a point. Typically, when people overstate something they are trying too hard to not only convince others but to convince themselves. "Would I be as suspicious if this hooded sweatshirt guy looked like a white neighbor who goes jogging? I'm perplexed...F--- my life!!!"
That may or may not apply to PM_Mama00. She would say it doesn't apply to her either way and her word is bond in this context.
