[RUgreek]

Originally posted by Rudey

Who is we?

Jewish people of Eastern European descent.

I do not see where you are going with this..."let's start with that." "Jews" are not a race, "Irish" are not a race..."African-Americans" are a race to you, so would blacks from other parts of the world be another race?

It would depend how narrow those categories are divided. And yes I know jews and irish people aren't races, those were examples of stereotypes associated with a group. Don't take things so literally.

For whom are these stereotypes linked to that individual? Just because a lot of people have a perception in their mind of certain people, does NOT mean they are right. The majority of the world has a skewed conception on a lot of things because of their lack of education...not because there is a biological basis for race.

I don't disagree that many people are stupid, but that's not my point. It's just the way people categorize racial and ethnic groups.

There are black, asian, hispanic Jews. Within whites, or caucasians, there are even more categories that are lumped together...all in a social manner because someone lumped them together.

Yes, that's how you see it, but not everyone. We are not trying to create the perfect society and how people think, just dissect how it is and why people see it that way.

Even scientifically you make no sense...how can there be a phenotype without a genotype?? Within the category of caucasian, anglo-saxon and middle eastern are included. You claim that there are physical indicators (common traits associated with them) for race which make it biological, but that breaks down here. A person from the middle east will be darker and than someone who is anglo-saxon in many cases...even darker than someone who is latino possibly. Yet middle easterners and anglos are dumped into a broad category called white. Even the government has been having a great deal of trouble using "race" in the census...kinda hard to distinguish blacks who are hispanic for one example.

If this doesn't make sense to you, don't worry about. I'm not categorizing the world for you, so relax kiddo. This is just an explanation of what racism is. People look at more than just skin tone, so don't base an argument against science on one example. Not everyone fits into a specific racial group, in fact, one could argue not a single person does because we are so much different down to the core. But the basic examples of traits and characterstics can group a # of people into a group. You can find a # of people that are completely "mixed" but you can still find a bunch of "pure" african-americans, asian, native americans (i hope), caucasians, indians, etc.

Sometime people stereotype an individual into a specific racial group, even if they do not belong their (a dark-skinned european caucasian as you point out) but that doesn't change the fact that he/she will be discriminated against as if he/she were in fact part of the racial group in which the appear to be part of. It does come down to biology, it's what makes us look like we do.


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