[Rudey]

It is becoming harder to quote you with your addition of colors, but here we go...my thoughts start with the asterixes [Drum roll please]

Originally posted by Honeykiss1974
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I totally disagree with this. The fact that you used "probably" in your sentence indicates you don't fully believe it either.

Rudey, do not put words into my mouth. My sentence of "Those individuals PROBABLY worked just as hards and as long as anyone else" was in regards to work ethic. Some people have to struglle for good grades, some don't

***Nobody put words in your mouth. Relax and stay calm...breathe in...do pilates or something.***

Does the number one change the meaning somehow? Does one person who was killed for a stupid cause make them nothing to look at? And the fact is that it's not just one. I don't make a claim that you can be an idiot and get into Harvard if you're simply black, but I can easily say that if you're black it will help you get in...meaning that if your stats are less than others who are not in the minority, you can still get in.

Again Rudey, as Librasoul22 has stated and which was the intent of my statement, please look at things GLOBABLY and not just one incident (in regards to PM Mama's post)

***I assume you meant globally? Either way, saying "And the fact is that it's not just one" clearly indicated that I'm not looking at one incident. So as you said earlier, "do not put words into my mouth."***

Nobody claims they are lazy or dumb, but everyone knows that the standards are lower if you're not in the "majority". I remember reading somewhere that there are whites who can get into black colleges easier lately. They may not be worth any less than the blacks, but certainly their stats can be lower and the school's adcomm will look the other way when they wouldn't for someone in the majority.

Did she or did she not just the word LAZY (Ilovemyglo) in her post?? I was addressing it to her statement. Additionally please provide me with some info in regards to HBCU's LOWERING their standards to admit white students. i attended an HBCU (with about 40% of non-african americans) and I really don't believe your statement has much basis to it.

***Yes she did use the word lazy. But she didn't say anyone and everyone who gets it is lazy. Also I believe you added the words "dumb" and "bum" into there. In regards to the HBCU's I probably don't have anywhere near the info you have since you went to one. My father did at one point work shortly for one but in either case, I'm sure that means nothing. My statement was based on what others had said and they could be wrong, so I apologize if they were(http://greekchat.com/gcforums/showth...&threadid=8607):
1) "Yes, at some schools they do. Hampton University is one of those schools. (I didn't go there but I read about it in the paper). Also caucasion people receive minority scholarships at most black schools too."

ZetaAce
2) ZetaAce is correct in her answer to you. There was also a story on one of the TV news magazine shows (I don't remember which one--I get them mixed up) that talked about the 'minority' scholarships at HBCU Alabama State (or was it Alabama A & M? Can you tell I'm not a stickler for details ) The state government in AL is trying to balance enrollment at all schools and, as a result, trying to get white student to attend the historically black schools. To do this they are giving them full scholarships. It was an interesting discussion.

Eclipse
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Once again, don't assume everyone thinks that hired minorities are lazy bums to everyone else. But know that they came in the easier way that was not open to someone who was not a minority.

Rudey, why are you telling people (and I quote ) " don't assume everyone thinks that hired minorities are lazy bums to everyone else. But know that they came in the easier way that was not open to someone who was not a minority. " HUH??? Aren't you doing the same thing within one statement? You just told me to not assume that minorities that are not lazy, but its ok to ASSume that they came into the easier way???

***Is one the same as the other...is being lazy the same as getting in the easier way? The answer is no. You don't have to be lazy to try and get in the easier way if the easier way is the only way you will get in. You're looking at my wording very literally and I will clarify it. Sometimes, when a person is applying to a college they cannot go back and change their grades or work harder...if they simply apply with those grades they will risk the chance of getting rejected if others have better grades. Thus their only option of acceptance is to go through the back door.
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How does anyone know HOW they came in? Just because they are a minority?

***Nobody can skirt the issue. The fact is that it's easier to get in if you're an underrepresented minority. It is not the end all, be all reason for why you were accepted, but yeah you can bet that if you checked off any of those minority boxes, you got an extra boost which others didn't.
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AA (in academia) was not created because some colleges were harder to get into. It was created because they are institutions of higher learning that would not admit a minority in REGARDLESS!!!!!! (of GPA, community service, academic achievements). It was not based on FINANCIAL NEED,

***I understand that minorities were not accepted and AA forced them to accept minorities. I agree with you on that. I agree with you that still occurs in the work force to a great extent. However, I believe that there are better alternatives to affirmative action that are not being explored. Sometimes, in my opinion, it becomes difficult to distinguish racist practices from simple sound hiring practices, and it becomes difficult to draw the line. Should the FDNY (Fire department of ny) lower its standards to let in women?? That is an example I can think of that a women's group was upset because the exam required firemen to carry a heavy dummy up a lot of stairs which most people could not do. Should women still be taken in as firemen all for the sake of creating diversity as many institutions use AA for now? Assuming that someone with higher scores and statistics is more likely to do better at his work just as he did in school, should an investment firm hire an analyst when one mistake can cost them several millions of dollars? I think you see what I am trying to say. But what many people say is that there are still racist hiring practices to this day (much more so against "blacks" than "whites") that prevent minorities who are just as qualified as those in the majority from rising up the corporate ladder. I agree with that. But perhaps affirmative action isn't the best solution to that. Furthermore, the fact is that affirmative action hurts certain groups of people by not accounting for them as I said earlier. It also hurts people in the majority, even if only a little. The solution should be one that hurts nobody...not one that still hurts some people. Wouldn't you agree? I don't have the solution but perhaps others might. Perhaps the solution is to completely factor race out of hiring or admissions practices and deal only with the numbers, but then again, people are never numbers.
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And Ilovemyglo, your post was read loud and clear and understood what you said. i can't apologize if my response wasn't what you were looking for.

- Rudey
-- Endorsed by librasoul22