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Originally posted by 4MYPEOPLE
Thanks...i just wanted to get some things out there... the topic was great...and yeah, you are probably right, that physical definitions of race was at the beginning, or used as a justification...
but i see you like many have fallen into the trap...Your sex is definite.... your gender is NOT... You are a woman by your parts...your gender "kindness, motherly instinct etc." is not necessarily part of your sex..and it has been those associated varying degrees that have been used to oppress women. They dont say you cant be a lawyer because you have breasts or ovaries, they say because you are not tough enough, or witty enough etc. those relate to gender, not sex. I am saying it is the same with race... we have a specific race, but they have used the ideas associated with our race to oppress us ie. less smart, lazy etc. and those ideas are still used today. Its not that they are afraid of our bone structure, or skin color, (if that was so, they wouldnt have let us breast feed their children) its the associated ideas they have falsly linked with race...same as they have with sex and gender, so just because they use foolish gendered feelings about women, does it mean our sex doesnt exist?
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Point well taken! Gender and sex are definitely two different and distinct concepts. Women are opressed both ways however. Sex definitely exists, as do the ideas about gender that follow.
I agree with you both that today race has materialized into something more real. However, as a base concept, I do not think it has any merit.
cleopatrajones, you are absolutley right about the power thing, a lot of the debate in Chit Chat was over the power issue.