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Originally Posted by als463

psusue,

I understand your feeling that this is more than a university-it is our family. I agree with that a 100 times over. Whether or not you believe JoePa did what all he could have done or should be seen as a bad guy does not bother me as much as you saying that McQueary did what he should have done. Did he STOP the abuse that he was witnessing with his own eyes? I'm not an angry / violent person but, if I witnessed that in front of my own eyes--I would have done a heck of a lot more than just go and "report" it. Sandusky would have lost a whole lot more than respect if I would have seen it. He would have lost a few teeth. You don't walk in on that and just turn away to go "report" it. Maybe I shouldn't advocate for punching him square in the face (or in other places) but, I can say that it sounds like McQueary didn't really confront the problem. As for the Janitor--where is he/ she and why is THAT person not being investigated too? This whole thing makes me sick!

It makes me sick to think of as well. But I also know that shock can literally render one speechless and unable to move. I want to think that I would scream and run for help, but in reality I have no idea what I'd do. Also if he had screamed, there could be a number of things that could have happened, not all of the outcomes being that Sandusky would have been able to be convicted or stopped. There are just too many what ifs. Literally, just too many. I do hold McQueary in a harsher light because he witnessed it, but he still technically did what he should have in this situation.

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

This is the dumbest thing I've read today. Please stop being an apologist to an apologist to a pedophile.

Okay, we all know that Joe Paterno fulfilled his legal obligation according to protocol. But, you know what? Joe Paterno is/was one of the most powerful men in college sports. Had he really wanted to, he could have superseded protocol.

I have to disagree with you there. If Sandusky had been tipped off to an investigation he could have fled, gone further underground with his perversion, etc. Here is another article that supports how Joe reacted to it. I'm sorry, I agree with what he did. You can disagree with me, but in cases like these, there is a way laid out like this for a reason.

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

It's not as if this hasn't been done before, by someone with a whole hell of a lot more to lose than a college football coach. A priest went to his superior about a suspected pedophile. When it appeared that the diocese was going to sweep it under the rug, guess who went to the authorities? That's right, the priest. Here's someone who superseded protocol in order to DO WHAT WAS RIGHT. Joe Paterno was too much of a coward to do that.

Now I know that this opens up another can of worms, but this may not be the best example to use as clearly, the whole priest scandal is far from over and this is not the same situation at all-- Joe's superiors made it seem like they were handling it. Haven't you ever been lied to convincingly before?

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

Also, if he didn't trust this McQueary guy enough to follow up on his concerns in more than a half-assed way, why is dude his assistant? He didn't believe him when he reported being an eyewitness to the rape of a child?

In reporting child abuse it is good to be cautious and let the facts speak for themselves. It's not that he didn't trust his assistant, but with allegations such as these one must always be able to see both sides of the potential issue.

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

Oh, and this line, from Joe Paterno himself?

"The kids that were victims or whatever they want to say, I think we all ought to say a prayer for them. Tough life, when people do certain things to you."

Victims or whatever. Classy. It is tough when someone rapes you and the people who could help you look the other way for the good of a football team.

Wow. If you didn't know this sound bite was taken after students went to JoePa's house to support him and he came out to talk to them even though he a. had zero obligation to do so and b. was completely unprepared for it. He's also over 80 years old and may have been trying to think of what he was going to say. Not to mention the fact that he may have been told by his superiors not to call the children victims because these are technically still allegations and if you haven't noticed, Penn State apparently thinks not talking about this is the best way to go.