[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

Literally, I have 5 minutes before I head out the door to teach. Sweet irony . . .

Drole - While I could post everything I found to be hostile, I suspect that you would then disagree, and this could go on and on. It goes back to the whole "tone" thing in some cases - in others it goes back to the lack of respect given to teachers and their training, which leads me to . . .

Originally Posted by DrPhil

(Someone correct me if I'm wrong.)

I do not think Drolefille was responding to that article but instead to KSUViolet's post about a teacher "diagnosing" (read: giving an opinion that may be relatively informed) a student. Such "diagnoses" should be researched and discussed but in many school systems for generations people went based on teacher and staff referrals rather than getting a second opinion. That is how a lot of students ended up in the "special" classes, the ones without windows and many of them didn't eat lunch with the "regular kids," and that includes students with physical "disabilities," mental "disabilities," and students with "conduct disorders."

Nope you were right.

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

No, I don't want a cookie. I would like recognition of the fact that yes, my parenting is influenced by the fact I'm a teacher and guess what? ...

I was being, you might be shocked, sarcastic. Which is precisely how your comment came off. "Oh snap you guys, you wanted a parents' perspective AND YOU GOT ONE." you seemed to be saying. And yet it ignores the fact that that wasn't what people actually meant as your perspective on the parent/teacher relationship is necessarily skewed in one direction. No shit it's not a bad thing, but the point is that it's irrelevent to the discussion in the way you were trying to use it.

But you can just thank God you've never had to subject your children to the horror that would be having me as a teacher; praise Jesus you've never had to sit across the table from me as we tried to address your child's problems.

Other than my hypothetical child's hypothetical teacher having difficulty identifying sarcasm in others while employing it to hyperbolic effect herself, it probably wouldn't be a problem.

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

Oh, yes, that's exactly what I meant. Thank you for clarifying. Here I was thinking it was liable to be misinterpreted as pointing out that teacher's don't call meetings just to amuse themselves and to fill up all that spare time they have since they only work from 8 - 3, but you've summed it up nicely.

Sarcasm. You can't read it, and then use it, and then still somehow pretend that you didn't get it.

Originally Posted by ASUADPi

As for diagnosing, we can't diagnose. Hell, we can't even hint at what we think is wrong. If I went to parent and said "I think Johnny is ADHD, you should take him to the doctor", mom can come back and make the district (or me) pay for the doctor treatments because I "diagnosed" her kid. I know for myself, I'm not taking that chance. I've got a kid right now who I know is ADHD, I am documenting, documenting, documenting. I will then approach the nurse and the guidance counselor on how to approach mom with my concerns. I may know that the kid is ADHD, but I cannot legally diagnose the kid as ADHD (if that makes any sense).

Makes sense, and is how it SHOULD be, because for example, ADHD requires deficits in two areas of a child's life. You only see 'school' and not 'home' and therefore while a child might be showing all the symptoms of ADHD at school, it might really NOT be ADHD but behavioral problems caused by some other source.

There are obviously other factors involved, but having school counselor classmates/friends, what you're doing is exactly what they'd like to see, and even though they're trained most of the time they'd still have to write a referral.

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

I stand corrected - you did not say every situation is different: you said

So please - instead of "every situation is different" insert "no one-size-fits-all". Whew! Glad to clarify THAT.

And as to being "stuck" - I've decided that you are determined to misconstrue anything I write, so I'll just bow to the inevitable and say I apologize in 12 different positions for thinking that my 20+ years as a parent and as an educator gave me any special insight to what may have prompted the article or how to improve parent/teacher communication.

There's some huge miscontruing going on, but it is NOT on DrPhil's part.

Originally Posted by katydidKD

this is why i said "im not going to argue" when DF tried to start shit with me. some people are just determined to bitch. not worth pleasing them.

If that's all it takes to start shit with you, how do you ever get through the day?

Originally Posted by katydidKD

now you're taking the analogy ridiculously out of context. I am saying that teachers are professionals and should be treated as such, just like you'd treat your doctor or lawyer. I just dont care to hear DF moan on and on. Like many other people.

There's an ignore function if you want to whine about me, you and your countless agreeing invisible people.

Originally Posted by katydidKD

Yes, i should have spoken more clearly.

Which is all I asked for in the first place.

But you know me, I'm so female with my complaining and moaning and whining and nagging.