
06-14-2002, 12:41 AM
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Re: lovelyivy
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Originally posted by neicy81
I never stated nor intended for this to seem as if I "hate" white people.If I hate someone, I hate them enough to kill them.[/
- This doesn't seem irrational to you? I don't want to kill anyone. I want to be able to live my life in peace and never have to deal with people dying as a cause of my personal feelings in regards to them. If it were a matter of defending myself, then that is a different story.
And yes, I have white friends.
- I'm not sure why people always throw comments like this in. It's a way for us to justify our reasoning in the eyes of others. It somehow creates more validity in the argument I suppose. A good analogy is having a famous black politician endorse eliminating affirmative action. Just because you have white friends does not create an all powerful solidification to your argument.[/B]
However, this discussion was brought up on other website. A user created a forum to vent their frustrations titled"What Pisses You Off About White People" and a white person comes in the fourm and cries racism every day.
- I believe all people are good at heart. According to my rationale, most people don't randomly complain (notice I said most, there are some who I will never understand). Take their opinions to heart. Sometimes if you listen to them, it might just help later on when you want others to listen to you. If they cried racism, listen to them. Understand where they are coming from...talk to them and don't simply reject them.
I still say that blacks cannot be racist.
- Listen, I can't convince you of my viewpoint and nobody else on this forum can. I knew that before I even posted this. But I can say this. Somehow you offer a different viewpoint of racism. Perhaps what you are doing is playing a game of semantics. The standard version of what racism means is in the dictionary. However, I take it that since a "white" person is largely responsible for the writing of that book, then you can reject this definition as you are a black person. To me this seems as logical as saying I reject the common definition of the word bagel. If no mention is put in the dictionary that bagels can only be made in NY, then I find that definition invalid.
You don't know any black person that had attributed to the downfall of any whites.
- Your viewpoint all too easily breaks down levels and classes and groups everyone together. Do you really feel that no black person has ever attributed to the downfall of ANY whites?? I assume black person is used in the singular tone, in that case may I propose we look at Al Sharpton. Next, I shall assume that downfall is equivalent to somehow hurting someone so as they lose their status or something that they once were priviledged to have before. Now I can easily point to Steven Pagones as someone who went through a downfall assuming once more that your use of "any" refers to a single white person. Now the fact that Tawana Brawley and Sharpton were able to use POWER from the courts and of public opinion to hurt an innocent white man should in fact be a clear example of racism. But I assume that you will also argue that it must be looked at on a national level. That isn't right. For someone to totally classify this country without any regions is wrong. I have no idea what it is like to be in the South. I couldn't even comprehend much on lynchings on the level that you can. I have no idea what it's like to be somewhere that blacks fear living. I wish I could only understand, but I don't think that is ever a possibility for me. But take for example sports. For someone to state that Americans are really enthusiastic about car racing is wrong. I never even realized people enjoyed watching a car go around a loop repeatedly until I left NY. It is something that is much more popular in certain regions. This is the same with fashion and attitudes as well. For you to believe that a man who lives on a ranch in Arkansas and feels minorities are plotting to take over the government is the same as a man who lives in a much more integrated neighborhood are the same is wrong. You have to be keenly aware of your environment and differences that exist at other levels. In parts of ny and nj, for example, blacks carry an overwhelming amount of power within the systems model and do at times present complexities of joint action within the political arena.
Regarding changing the status quo, I beg to differ.Most are too comfortable benefitting from white privilege.
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I personally don't think you hate white people, just like you say. I do however think it's always good to listen to people, and to hear them out (there's a difference). Take care.
-Rudey
Last edited by Rudey; 06-14-2002 at 02:44 AM.
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