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Originally Posted by DGTess

I guess I wasn't done.

I'm not here to address red herrings.

I don't believe I've seen any. After I finished replying to the post, the only red herrings I've seen were suggested by you, in this post.

Nothing in the proposed law says everyone with a CHL must carry, so arguments that everyone will have guns are not based on facts.

No one stated "everyone will have guns."

Nothing in the proposed law allows people who are not licensed to carry to do so.

Also never suggested.

Nothing in the proposed law constructs a great big wall around university property to make it "special".

Correct, although not discussed at all here. Current laws in many states consider universities, schools, playgrounds, theme parks, and the state capitol buildings themselves to be "special" in these purposes. Why is that necessarily a bad thing?

All these laws do is to permit those who are legally eligible to carry a firearm, and who choose to do so, to do so without arbitrary lines in the sand.

Why do you say these lines are arbitrary? Considering that those lines were drawn generally due to the presence of children or for other safety concerns such as the campus being responsible for all housing.

The fact that lives could be saved, rather than police tape draped and reports written, is apparently not something on college campuses choose. OK.

You say "could." But you have no actual evidence that it would happen. Are the risks inherent in, say, 30 more guns on a college campus ever actually paid off in safety benefits? 60? 100? 250? Produce actual evidence or a compelling argument rather than relying on the assumptions you hold. Address issues of campus safety and security when students have guns, rather than ignoring them. Address the incidents that have been mentioned in these threads. Identify an incident where things DID work in the way you're suggesting they would on the campuses where guns are allowed - because there are some.

And if you don't want me carrying on your campus, you obviously don't want me carrying anywhere else, so you don't want me saving your life. No worries, mate.

Actually I just think that the odds of you ever saving anyone's life, much less mine, through carrying a weapon are so slim as to not provide a single shred of argument to support your position.

I'm going back to fight in favor of the proposed legislation. I can have an effect there.

If this is all you bring to the table, you'll do more damage than good.