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Originally posted by PHAtraveller
Doggystyle82,
I am trying to figure out where you stand on the issues. I read some of your posts and you seem to be level headed and others you seem to advocate the very things that your fraternity "leadership" hate.
I am entering through grad chap. I researched the two frats that I wanted to join and made a decision. I am new to reading the boards, but "Where has the black greek respectability and honor gone?" The post by one of masonic brothers made me rethink some of my rationale concerning these issues.
I had a discussion with some kappas,omegas,deltas at work. I asked them if what they did was so "right", as in their process, why not disclose all the details in writing to the heads of their frats for consideration as an alternate process. All you get is, "uuhhh..cool out, man!"
If a 30 year old man, that is in Law School, feels he needs to get respect by allowing grown men to beat and demean him, then truly something is wrong, mentally. I wonder what the Bar Association would think of that because he is a participant, and a hazer, in the years to come if he doesn't wise up.
BGLOs are losing quality leaders in the community over childish rants that I have read on this and other forums. Look at what Dick Gregory said.
Please Respond all!!! ( I love a debate)
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I cannot make you understand. If you haven't seen it, lived it, or loved it, I cannot GIVE you an understanding. I pledged old school. Long before intake which is what you have seen as an outsider. I don't delineate between my brothers, Grad or Undergrad, as long as you measure up to and live up to Omega's principles.
I do respect those more who have chosen the undergrad path when they have had the opportunity. That does not mean that I DISRESPECT those that didn't.
If you are entering your chosen org through a grad chapter more power to you, but you are under a few misconceptions. Who told you that you needed to be beaten, disrespected, or humiliated to get respect? Who told you that that was the undergrad process. What "man" would choose such a path. What fool would choose such an org that condones foolishness?
My friend, you are confusing my belief in a tried and true pledge process with something from a rumor mill. Don't ever confuse something that I live daily with something that you "heard" may be true in some (not all or most) chapters. Do you really think Greeks that you work with are gonna tell you everything? Do you divulge Masonic practices with your co-workers. Both of my grandfathers and 8 of my uncles are Masons and I don't know one thing about it beneath the surface.
As far as the law student, let me tell you this. I know plenty of cops, sheriffs, lawyers, judges, and even a Chief Justice of a State Supreme Court who have chosen to pledge and pledge others (not haze, demean, or injure others)
Dick Gregory? Who the hell leads their life by what he says? I still think that you will find Black Greeks in more than 50% of leadership positions on most campus'. I'll ass the 30 yr old Alpha man that is the Mayor of Detroit if he "pledged" or maybe the 40 yr old DeKalb County Commisioner and Kappa Man if he pledged or pledged others (I know personally that he did) or the 35 yr old Omega Man that is the Mayor of Atlantic City if he pledged or pledged others (I know personally that he did). Are these men not leaders? Did they demean themselves and others to join or help others join their illustrious brotherhoods?
Mr. Traveller, the Masons did not let you choose your process and a Fraternity won't either. Its o.k. Pledging doesn't take a strong heart, but rather a strong mind. You are letting rumors and innuendo impede your actions. Good luck, whatever your course.