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Originally Posted by sigmadiva
Honestly, that is how I feel. Yes, I'd feel bad for the girl, but at the same time I'd shake my head and ask 'what was she thinking??'
No, it is never right for anyone, male or female, to get raped for any reason under any circumstance. That is why use of good common sense on a situation is prudent. You just don't have to put yourself in certain situations.
But then, I think I know where you are coming from Drole - do what ever the hell you please, and if you get in trouble, blame someone else. I guess you, Drole, feel that people don't have to take responsibility for their own actions - it is always someone else's fault.  |
Seriously, fuck off.
No one is responsible for rape but the rapist. A woman should not
have to dress a certain way or
have to avoid certain neighborhoods to not get raped.
You can say my name 12 more times in your next post and I'll still tell you you're part of the fucking problem.
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Originally Posted by sigmadiva
So, using Drole's logic, I should blame the weather man for ruining my car.
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Yes, being raped is exactly like a flood. Women should have to be on guard for surprise rape all the time. I mean if they mess up, they basically deserve it right? They really should take responsibility and not be so rapable. Always asking for it.
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I picked that analogy just to show how narrow-minded I feel Drole's logic is. It is so black and white. There are reasons behind why things happen, and understanding the reason helps to understand the why.
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So when a woman is raped by her boyfriend, that's also her fault? A wife by her husband? If the woman is wearing jeans is it impossible for her to have been raped because she obviously had to help the guy take her jeans off and that means she wanted it? She was raped by an ex, but they'd had sex before so it's ok right?
Or is it only when they're walking down the street in a short skirt that they're asking for it? Or drunk at a party?
You're right, asking people to take responsibility not to rape people is the wrong answer here.
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No, you, Drole and agzg are saying it is someone else's fault. I said the the gay guy has to share some of the blame because he put himself in a situation he did not have to. The fraternity guys were wrong too. I just don't think this incident would have ever happened if the gay guy just did not show up.
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No, the guy does not deserve any blame for being assaulted.
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I don't think the kid needed to be choked out or dragged out of the party. He may have been kicked out but he didn't ask or need to be assaulted.
And no, it's never the victim's fault ever in cases of rape, EVER. I don't care if he or she dressed provocatively. I don't care if he or she drank too much. I don't care if he or she went to the rapist fraternity house. I don't care. It's never the victim's fault.
It's not this kid's fault he got his ass beat. At all. And the kid who did it took the opportunity just like a rapist would his or her victim. He picked on someone he saw as vulnerable or weak. Period.
Just because there are ways a potential victim can decrease the probability they're attacked doesn't mean it's their fault, IN ANY WAY, if they weren't using them at the time.
People need to keep their hands to themselves.
The flooding analogy is a major fail.
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Everything you said.