[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by Chocoholic

I like a larger font so I don't have to sit on top of my laptop just to see... I break so many that way. lol

Learn to hit Ctrl+mouse scroll instead of the horror of font tags you use all over the place.

I was responding to a comment you made earlier; essentially, respect should be given to all prisoners. And in a perfect world that would happen – however, we don’t live in a perfect world. We could give Islamic prisoners the key to Emerald City, and the outcome won’t change - militant beheadings shall continue as justifiable. Islamic militants need rehab and education, not candy and flowers.

It means that you can't justify Israel (or the US or anyone) treating prisoners badly because other people are worse. If we're the "good guys" it is incumbent on us to follow the rules. The less we follow the rules the more justification "they" have not to. And even when they don't follow the rules, we do it because it is right.

Specifically prohibited by Islam, care to cite your source?

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Go ahead and read those, I'll be waiting.

Red herring. Specifically used by muslims in Gaza knowing the IDF wouldn’t shoot at children.

Right. It's a military thing, not a religious practice.

Yes and this archaic practice is still ONLY in use by those in Muslim countries or where Muslims are practicing Shaira Law - like the US and UK. Google honor killings.

So, those honor killings in India where women and men are killed for marrying outside of their caste are not actually happening?

Honor killings are against the law even in countries where they occur. It is not an issue of everything being hunky dory with the government it's a cultural issue involving local control and coverup of these crimes.

Punishments like this go back to the code of Hammurabi.

However, the important point for this discussion is that it is part of the culture of those countries, not part of Islam. Indonesia does not have a similar problem for example.

One mother is more than enough and imo, has no business having children. It’s child abuse. In this country that woman would lose her children and most likely prosecuted for child endangerment.

No shit sherlock. I'm not saying it's fun times, I'm saying it's neither common nor religious.

\They "don't have" armies?!? Did I read that correctly? Regardless, of what you think of their armies - they have armies. You should really take a trip... I bet you think that Palestinians are living in tents, with nothing; not even running water, right?

So, the Palestinians are on equal footing with the Israelis militarily? Yeah. Right.

More red herrings. One lone nut job vs. nut jobs from the fastest growing religion in the US (and worldwide) – exponentially increases the number of nut jobs. Period.

These are only "red herrings" in the sense that you brought the subject up and cannot defend it. Suicide bombers are no more representatives of Islam than the IRA are representatives of Catholicism.

when their respective governments embrace the doctrine, i.e., Wahhabism in Saudi Arabia, now you have an entire country of wahhabism acceptance/adherence. No religious freedom there.Once again, you fail to acknowledge that the bible doesn't make the laws of this country. Most acknowledge it as a moral code written two-thousand years ago. You certainly wouldn't walk into family court in this country argue one party committed adultry, file a motion for contempt and hope the court orders they be stoned to death. The difference being is that Islamic law is a comprehensive system covering the relationship with allah, family, money, society and country - given and governed by allah.

You're conflating two points here.
One is that not all Muslims, even those living in places like Saudi Arabia, follow the literalist interpretation of the Koran.
Two is that said literalist interpretation is very flawed for the same reasons literal interpretations of other religious texts are flawed. Particularly when the texts are twisted for political purposes.

You are treating Islamic law as a solid universal block that has no differing perspectives. This is no more true than the idea that there are just Christians and they all agree on everything. We've had countries run entirely on "Christian" rules in the past, and our own country still carries plenty of those biases with us today.

You’re kidding right? It’s evident to me you know nothing of Sharia Law and the oppressive nature of wahhabi – Saudi women cannot vote, be educated like their male counterparts, they can’t drive, they have to have a familial/guardian male with them at all times, they’ve covered from head to toe in njib and female children are married off. Women cannot chose who they'll marry. Saudi Arabia is globally ranked as 130th out of 136th counties in terms of human rights violations. If you don’t see that as strife against women – I don’t think we can continue this conversation. Please read on.

I rather specifically said that it was persecuting women. I'm quite aware of what SA is like. I'm also aware that this is not the only form of Sharia and that Sharia varies wildly based on who's administering it. Again you're treating 1 billion people as if they all think like one person.

Is that what you understood from my post?

You said:
"And while the Saudi Government condemned bin Laden, they never condemned his message - until that happens, expect the brutality to continue unabated."
So yes, I interpreted that to mean you think that if the Saudis condemn his message we'd see an end to "brutality" or something similar.

Ah, so you feel Islam is evil.

No, I'm starting to think you're a moron, though.

LOL! It was a video made by an Arab Christian!

And titled "Innocent Hamas & Evil Israel - Liberalism at Work"
Yeah, you're right it's totally neutral!

I’m not buying that nonsense.

Me neither, but some do.

I conflated no such thing. There are Mizrahim (Jews kicked out of Arab countries), Christian Arabs etc –

When you say "Muslim/Arab" it sure sounds like you do.

Yes, I generally glean that kind of information from “Stormfront” …

So stop assuming it's an Islamic thing.

LOL! Yes, because your contribution has such military strategic value… Just how large is your yard and where exactly is it.

I'm rather obviously referring to American money in general.

that’s how you interpreted my comments and that you’re not familiar with foreign aid in the ME – most clamor about how their tax dollars are given just to Israel, when they know nothing about the strings attached and the quid pro quo of these agreements and the congressional approval of said deals. Egypt has no strings attached, theirs is strictly economic aid. But I did hear that the US will start selling Egypt and the Saudis military weaponry, planes etc. It’s nice to know we still make something…

I really don't bitch about my money going to Israel as a rule. We send a lot of foreign aid to a lot of places. You raised the issue as a point in the discussion.

Park51 is entirely separate argument – one I don’t oppose due to the first amendment argument. But I’d hate to see some other nutjob blow that thing up and harm innocent NY’ers again, in the process.

No shit. Really? How generous of you.
Why would that even come into your mind when discussing it?

I'm somewhat amused by this remark. There's a certain idealistic naiviete to it. So you both maintain you both have won?

Why do you care what the other side says? This shouldn't be some geographic pissing match (even though it is all too often.) And we've already acknowledged they're crazy, so your best bet is to convince the non-crazy people about how crazy the extremists are.

If you compromise your values for the terrorists, you lose. That's how it works. Their goal is to inspire terror, right? If you start clamoring about how you don't know if you can trust Muslims now, you only prove their point about the West wanting to destroy them.

We keep thinking that if we bomb (or shoot, or whatever) them we'll change their minds or something and we don't realize that for every civilian we kill, and we cannot help but kill some, we create enemies of their whole families, friends, neighbors.

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

Drole....I love you. You know what you are talking about. Unfortunately, this Choconut lost the ability to apply logic to his arguments years ago, that's why he is able to believe this drivel!

*sigh* Idiocy on these issues is just frustrating. This isn't us versus them.