[Kevin]

As far as your friend's perception of all 'frat guys' if he thinks a couple of winners like these kids at the restaurant are representative of us all then he's very wrong.

So far as these folks go I wouldn't personally have advocated you do anything in this situation. Nowadays a chapter hazing has two choices -- stop hazing or EVENTUALLY they will get caught and that charter on their wall will be gone.

From the sound of the conversation it sounds like their chapter is actually taking some action against hazing. Sounds like a few older members talking about the "good 'ol days". Tough to act on something like that without knowing the whole story.

LHT
Kevin