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Originally Posted by Beryana
And you are saying there was absolutely no way the mother and baby could have both lived? The proper way to handle these issues is to attempt to save BOTH lives. Why is it that the mothers that give up their lives to save those of their unborn babies are looked down upon for their sacrifces? Mothers that have forgone cancer treatments as those treatments would have killed their babies.
The basic premise of the Catholic teaching on abortion is the sanctity of ALL human life and that someone has to fight for those that have no means to fight for themselves. You can view Catholic social teachings however you want - they aren't going to be changing anytime soon. Just because something is legal does not make it morally or ethically right.
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If both lives could have been saved do you think this nun would have risked excommunication? She would have died and so would her unborn child. I would not look down on a mother who chose to avoid treatment because of her fetus, though I might disagree with her. I look down on a hospital telling her she has no choice but to die, never mind that if she does so does the fetus.
Just because the Catholic Church says it doesn't make it morally or ethically right either, it just means that they believe it is morally or ethically right.
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Originally Posted by DrPhil
You're no fun. 
This thread reminds me of the "Catholicism is a cult" and "it's not real Christianity" discussions people used to have. That's not what anyone's saying in here but it really boils down to where people get their info and how they interpret it. |
We're polytheist Mary-worshiping cannibalistic dirty papists. Or so the word on the street goes.
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Originally Posted by DrPhil
Personally, I look down upon such martyrdom-suicide because I consider the mother's life more important than the baby's life.
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And that wasn't even the choice here, baby had no chance without mom.
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Originally Posted by AOII Angel
Ah...that's a different problem. Medical ethics isn't practiced well by all physicians, and we don't get a book of rules to follow. There are specific laws governing tubal ligations (TLs) in each state regarding the age of the mother, consent forms, timing before labor when consent must be given for TLs to be legal. That being said, many medical procedures definitely have the doctor's own value system imposed on them. Some Catholic OB-GYNs won't even prescribe birth control pills. BUT...if you consult the medical ethics panel, they'll side with what is the standard, not what the individual doctor's personal beliefs might be. Also, TL has side effects as well. It is a surgery with all the risks of anesthesia and invasive procedures. Women with TLs have complaints of worsening pelvic pain and PMS about 3 months after surgery. No one knows why, but it's well documented.
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Aye I came across a description of drawbacks of TL, obviously there are side effects, it's surgery! But women should be able to make that decision the same way they choose birth control knowing that there are risks involved. Also now there's Essure which is less risky, I believe. Are the restrictions for a vasectomy as strict?