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Originally Posted by AZPHI JOURNEAUX
So that really puts it in context..... women are under a different standard, their pledging processes are a lot different than anything I've seen, cause well women are emotional, men we like a sense of accomplishment... Yes we actually want our members to feel like they accomplished something, and it wasn't just given to them...
thanks for the first bit of good advice. ill look into the pledging standards for other frats.
thanks
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Originally Posted by AZPHI JOURNEAUX
hazing is defined as "Hazing is at term used to describe various ritual and other activities involving harassment, abuse or humiliation used as a way of initiating a person into a group."
to answer the question no hazing isn't necessary, its the degree that you put effort forward that requires a measure.
its like taking a class, is my teacher hazing me by making and forcing me to study for tests OMG I SHOULD SUE cause everything is hazing then, to be a part of something substantial you need limits.
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Originally Posted by AZPHI JOURNEAUX
I'm going with yes, apparently everything we do is hazing in some manor, you must be an English major eh? sorry if i lack the will power to go through an edit my posts online... its not a peer reviewed journal, or a paper for class or work. I don't feel like checking my work my bad.
As for the quote
Um don't be too quick to judge. I came here looking for advice, and got that everything that is "required" is hazing so when i pull up a situation where someone else does it its suddenly not hazing? APO has many of the same standards we have. if not all the same standards.
Also the light is a joke, if you don't get that, theres a problem... And i have been interview in a dark room by the NSA before, not something id repeat. nor care to talk about. Our interviews are not anything like it.We don't interrogate, we interview, there are 2 sides to a conversation.
As for the sense of accomplishment, no I'm not being sexist, I'm being realistic, men are purpose driven, we love to achieve and making it thought this process has made better people from all of us. we raised hundreds of dollars for charitable causes and spent many many hours on community service to make a name for ourself in the community.
As for women I'm sure they do have a degree of achievement for getting something handed to them, the pledging process isn't suppose to be a showering of gifts, otherwise it would not be there. they need to know that everyone before them has don this, its not dangerous, and there are other options if they ever feel uncomfortable.
The degree of insult in your statement lets me know that you feel that you earned something. if you didn't have any requirements for getting it, how does that make it so important?
There has to be standards in every organization otherwise i would play for the Yankees getting paid millions cause i can suck at baseball. but getting rid of me isn't an option cause then we would have requirements and that would mean that some people don't quite fit what we are looking for.
What this helps us pick out,
Dedicated people
people that are willing to learn
people that are willing to serve
people that are able to live in the real world, cause eventually shit might not go as you 100 percent like.
I'm asking you people to be realistic. The pledging process isn't a joke and isn't taken to the level of hazing you all think it is, society needs to change cause this is sad. really freaking pathetic.
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Just because KSUViolet needs to see this QFP. Your stereotype of women is way off, because I know some very emotional men, and extremely accomplished women, and a person can be both. Your comparison about studying for a test is pretty bad, as you can choose not to study, and reap the consequences.
It isn't a gender thing, it is a "are these methods getting me and my group the results I want, within appropriate parameters of my host institution?" if they were you wouldn't be on GreekChat asking people. If you have to do all these things to weed people out, why offer them membership in the first place? Bid people who are worthy, and you don't have to mess around with games or a process that can be problematic.