[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by KSigAdvisor

but stupid people anger me.

So you must be really pissed at yourself

Telling a group of students they can't organize and function on campus is not a rule, it's discrimination. We (the undergraduate students) have the same rights as every other students.

You have the same rights, and have to follow the same rules as everybody else.

MysticCat, it sounds like maybe slow days are normal for you, cognitively speaking. We don't need recognition from the other fraternities to operate on campus. "Recognition" is the name for the rights that come therewith, i.e., use of campus facilities. We seek "recognition" from FGCU, because they are a state actor and must provide student organizations with certain rights such as use of university facilities. We don't seek anything from IFC anymore.

Actually they don't. Freedom of association is not the same as saying that if an organization asks for something, it has to be granted. It just means that an individual can't be punished for who they associate with, or groups they join.

"Recognition" by the IFC has zero effect on whether FGCU "recognizes" us as a student organization just like it does every other student organization.

Actually, I'm sure every organization needs some kind of recognition process they have to go through. Since fraternities are by their very nature discriminatory, IFC has to approve, instead of the office of student involvement who would normally be the case.

If 10 other student groups decided to form a group of representatives and that group "voted" your group off campus, what would you say?

It's called a student government. And there is nothing to say that people can not join Kappa Sigma, or will get punished for it.

I think there is more to your mention of the Hitler Corps than I originally thought 33Girl, because you support blatantly communist principles.

You are calling all of us idiots, yet you don't know the difference between Communism and Fascism/Nazism? Newsflash, but Hitler hated the Communists .

The IFC can't "vote off" the Catholic student association, the Polo club, or any other group any more than they can vote of the Kappa Sigma Fraternity. Just like those other groups, we don't have to be a part of "IFC" to be a student organization.

No they can't, because those groups aren't GLOs. However, I'm sure they have to be recognized by somebody before the school would give support to them. The school has very limited resources. As such, they will not use those resources unless they know that the students support said group.

If you can get over my insults, MysticCat, the ones that I'm entitled to because your groups voted to keep us out of IFC, then please expand upon your following comment:

So you say you have the right to call somebody an idiot, because members of their group that they might not even know voted against you? Even if that was true, Phi Mu Alpha Sinfonia is not at FGCU or even in NIC.

Why are we not similarly situated? Because FGCU invented an unconstitutional and discriminatory rule that we chose to fight? I wuold like to see you articulate a defense to that catch 22. "You can't come on campus, and if you choose to anyway, then we can discriminate against you, because we told you not to in the first place." That's not a rule, that's discrimination.

You are an idiot. That is like saying that putting people in jail because they broke the law is discrimination.