Blueknowledge....It seems as if our opinions are always opposite. I read a couple of your posts and it seems as if you have a vendetta against undergrads. I don't know where all of this is coming from. Maybe when and if you were an undergrad you had some bad experiences or maybe frat and sorors didn't like you 

 . I don't know. But getting rid of undergrads is not the answer.  I pledged as an undergrad and that is an experience that I wouldn't change for the world.  Instead of putting undergrads down maybe as an older member you should try to mentor these young brothers. Let them know the right way to run a process and maybe a lot of this wouldn't happen. I am in a grad chapter now and I am very close with my undergrads. I f you show them that you support them, you'd be surprised at the change you see in them. Of course if you keep putting them down and talking negative about them they feel that they can't talk to you. And then they feel like they can't come to you with bigger issues. I don't know how many advocates that you'll get on this issue.
Of course I don't agree at the events that went on at Norfolk. In know way am I agreeing with what they did. But if these brothers would have been taught the right way to bring new members in then it would not have gotten to the extreme. I am against hazing. But there is difference between pledging and hazing.
