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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid
What I think some of you are doing and I understand it, in your attempts to clarify and explain his words, is that you are softening what he says.
But I honestly believe that some of you are closing your eyes to what he is really saying underneath his 'noble' disagreement he has with the president.
Some of you simply don't want to believe that that's what he meant.
Some of you want to believe that he is more progressive than what his merits (or demerits) says about him was well meaning in his words.
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I don't think it's a matter of him being more or less progressive; it's a matter of taking what he says at face value, versus assigning it some deeper or more nefarious meaning.
I was taking your statement in more the general sense - i.e. that hoping that the President "fails" is automatically a regrettable thing to say.
If you want to assign a different context to it because of it was Limbaugh, that's one thing...I think the rest of us are evaluating the statement largely independent from the person who said it.
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Originally Posted by AGDee
My statement isn't about the policies because the quote I heard was not about policies. It was "I hope he fails" That's pretty wide open to interpretation. However, I was trying to get a feel for what people would consider a failure vs. a success in a President on a more broad basis.
Additionally, I'm curious whether it's a success or a failure if the outcome is good but the means to get there is not in line with your philosophies. The bailouts, for example. Lots of people are against them. If they do end up preventing a depression, the loans are paid back within a few years and the economy grows strong again, people keep their jobs or jobs increase, resulting in more income for the government through the interest achieved by giving out those loans and the income taxes of individuals who are working instead of being on unemployment, etc, etc, then is it a success, even if you didn't think they should do it in the first place?
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I can only speak for myself...but if a policy that I disagree with (like, for example, the bailouts) turns out well (not just for the next year or two, but years into the future), then I'll say that it was a success.