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Originally posted by sigmagrrl:
Well, how strict can they be? I am asking this in all sincerity...What can you do with a new member class that does not fulfill their requirements? How can you let them go without it coming back to haunt you as "hazing"???
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Getting rid of a member who hasn't met the minimum requirements set in order to be initiated is not hazing --just like severing an initiate's membership for repeatedly not making grades or not paying dues is not hazing. The two are not related in the least little bit. (Sorry if it sounds like I'm yelling, sigmagrrl. No offense intended.
I'm just trying to get the point across.)
Basically what I'm saying is this: Every organization has set requirements that the members must abide by in order to be considered in "good standing" and, thus, able to participate in chapter events. Expecting them to live up to those requirements is not a hazing issue. It's like kicking a college player off the team for not showing up to practice. Or not allowing a college student to pass a course because they didn't show up for class on a regular basis.
You don't want someone in your chapter who obviously doesn't care if they are there or not. Weeding out those people is not only a Greek organization's right, it's also their responsibility to insure that the chapter remains vital.
I have to agree with pbear19. If these guys don't have respect for the fraternity by now, then it's crazy to think that they'll gain respect once they get initiated. Which means they'll probably do nothing but cause potential problems down the road. It would be different if they were studying their pledge books and making an actual attempt to learn about the fraternity, and attending your chapter's organized events. But it doesn't seem like they are trying at all in this case. And there is no reason in the world why they should be initiated at this point. Get rid of them now.
It does sound harsh, but having an apathetic bunch of guys as your brothers is the only other alternative. Kick them out now or deal with their poor attitudes later. It's up to you. Good luck!
**dzrose93 getting off the soapbox**