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Originally posted by VirtuousErudite
Hi DZ,
Secondly, what I meant by the "trap issue" is that this thread began as a intelligent exchange of ideas between posters. There were differing opinions but it did not turn into rudeness or mud slinging until certain people came along. It is a well known fact that once that starts threads are closed on GC. That is all I meant and it does seem a little bit fishy to me.
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I don't really know who you're referring to when you say "certain people came along"... If you could be a little more specific, maybe I'll be able to understand where you're coming from. Right now, though, it seems like this thread was going along without any incident for a while simply because no one was willing to speak up and say, "hey, some of y'all are sounding pretty racist."
When someone finally DID speak up, the person to do it was a white GCer, and it seems like THEN is when things started getting heated - not because the white person said anything rude, but because her viewpoint wasn't received well by the people making the racist comments. I personally don't think any of the white GCers have been rude or participated in mud-slinging of any kind on this thread and, quite honestly, I don't think that the majority of the black GCers have either. It's only a select few who have continued to make some random, rather absurd comments - and that's where the drama can be found.
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Originally posted by VirtuousErudite
Third, I find it quite funny that you chose to ignore my entire first post where I pointed out many instances of predominantly white glo's and BGLO's working together. These are things I have peresonally seen myself. Why did you choose not to comment on this at all??? Or the several other posts made my others recognizing willingness to work with others. As I stated before I mean no personal disrespect towards you, just trying to educate.
Just something to think about.
V.E.
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I didn't ignore your first post. I did read it, and I'm glad that there is a willingness in HBGLO's to work with other (predominantly white) organizations... But the reason that I didn't comment on your first post (or others with a similar message) is because the fact that HBGLO's and HWGLO's sometimes work together
isn't the issue of this thread.
I'm perfectly willing to stipulate that HBGLO members work together with HWGLO members on common causes. My sorority did quite a bit with the HBGLO orgs on my campus when I was in school. Alpha Phi Alpha, Delta Sigma Theta and Alpha Kappa Alpha used to help us prepare for our step shows during Greek Week, and we worked with AKA and DST in many philanthropic ventures as well, from planning seminars concerning womens' issues on campus to participating in underprivileged youth activities. So, I'm not saying that working together isn't important, or that it isn't done. I'm simply saying that it is a moot point for this particular thread.
The issue of
this particular thread is whether or not members of BGLO's think that white and/or homosexual people should be allowed to join their organizations and, if so, would those individuals be welcomed by the black members.
Some of the responses have been positive, with BGLO members saying "Yes, we'd be glad to have anyone join as long as they are willing to work hard for the projects that our orgs support." That's great! But the problem I have is with the ones who say that they do not feel like an HBGLO is the proper place for a white person and/or that they would not vote for a white person interested in joining. That is discrimination, and that is racism. Pure and simple.
I personally don't believe in the terms "reverse discrimination" or "reverse racism" when describing discriminatory acts against white people. Racism is racism, and it's ugly no matter what form it takes or who it's directed towards. Some of the same people who are posting that they don't feel like whites should be in their groups are the ones who have protested in the past on GC about black girls not receiving bids at schools such as UGA and Alabama.
To me, people are talking out of both sides of their mouths if they think denying someone admittance because of race is an acceptable practice for historically-black organizations, but not an acceptable practice for historically-white ones. It's the double-talk with which I find fault, and it's the double-talk that I directed my previous posts to.
I want you to notice that I've always said "SOME GCers" or "SOME members of HBGLO's" when I've made my statements concerning racist admittance practices among black organizations. I say "some" because I know that certain opinions are not shared by all HBGLO members, and I would not try to lump all HBGLO members into one category that way. That would be very unfair -- just as unfair as saying that all HWGLO's are racist because one chapter of one organization didn't offer a black person a bid.
I hope this clarifies my viewpoint a little. If you would like me to go into further detail, please ask more questions. I'll be glad to answer them.