[dubyuhnellpiphi]

oh my goodness... she REALLY must be dense. i mean... i personally have seen hazing and know what goes on. i even know of an instance in which a frat's whole pledge class de-pledged and only came back on the guarantee that rules would be followed. no guy is stupid enough to put up with more than he thinks is fair... as for being in the house during hell week... ummm.. that does not happen! even for girlfriends! i know this, cause all of my friends date in different frats and NONE of us were allowed to see our bfs in the house, even if they were upperclassmen. i personally did witness some 'hazing', but it was all in fun and AFTER initiation... they seemed to be enjoying some sort of mock violence. whatever. just keep in mind... frat boys DO get fratty every so often!