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I understand, and Penn state def. has merit in its greek system, i was just seeing how it differed and why. out of curiousity. and i wasn't implying that penn state greeks have no tradition, because we do and i am proud of them, but they just seem less "bought into" by members.
however its unfair for me to judge, i lived in VA with a father who was greek at ole miss. and a mother who was greek at william and mary.
so just from what my dad told me, i had different expectations about it.
thanks for all the answers!
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