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Originally Posted by CrackerBarrel
While I don't condone "bashing houses", you have to admit that at nearly every campus there are houses which are running jokes amongst everyone better than them. To strongly object to tiers and honest observations about houses suggests (as has been mentioned) that someone is in one of these fairly low rated houses and resents the fact that they wound up somewhere other than top-tier.
I didn't go reread the tier thread in question, but it's generally reasonable to assume that most of the posters are somewhere between the top tier and the middle of the second tier. If you aren't looking for a "fratty" house or social events with the top sororities, than no the list may not apply to you.
But again to just say "look at them making fun of bad houses and making these arbitrary tiers, they are ridiculing the lower tier, that's lower tier in itself" only suggests to me that you protest a bit too much and aren't real happy with where others consider your house to fit in to that matrix.
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For me, it's not the listing or the rankings themselves that make me wonder about who is doing them. It's that I would honestly hope that people in really good groups have something better to do during the regular year. A little posting seems normal. Posting as frequently as say I do here in the summer, would indicate that you didn't have much of a life which wouldn't be the mark of a top tier social life to me.
I can see why we discourage posting tiers, especially for girls here, because it's just going to result in big arguments and for girls, I really do think it does a disservice to the system overall because of the way recruitment works for girls.
The way that groups are expected to take quota and typically not go over does funny things to the process, as does the huge size of the groups and the potential for all the members to want to bring in their friends while they don't actually have room for them. If you tell girls in advance to sort of write off a bunch of groups, you basically might be setting them up for complete failure since you don't know what their relative strength will be compared to the whole pool of PNMs. And if a bunch of girls drop out or recruitment, that affects the number of girls that top groups can take, so it can hurt all the groups no matter what tier they are because they get to take fewer of the girls that they actually want to give bids to.
And we probably disagree about this, but I don't think there are that many groups where a girl is actually better off not joining at all than joining if that's the bid she ends up with.
With guys, the groups rush and offer bids in the summer, control their own size, have spring and fall pledge classes if they want, and feel absolutely no pressure to take a certain number of guys. A guy can get multiple bids and choose among them. So a good candidate seems to have a lot more control over ending up at a higher tier group if the group wants him. So for guys, it would seems that posting tiers does a lot less harm to the guys rushing and to the system overall.
ETA: EE-BO, I actually find discussion of tiers really interesting and I suspect that even the people who post stuff like "only you will know the best group for you" rhetoric know that tiers exists. And with guys, it may not do any harm to talk about tier and even do some good for guys coming in. But, and this could just be my bias based on where my group was in the tiers while I was in college, I think it's different for girls since the process is so different and since the focus of NPC is kind of creating an even playing field in numbers. And there's a really big difference of every group giving bids the same day and each girl only getting one. On some level if the point is about helping PNMs, meaningful girl tiers could just be of two ranks: accept your bid or try to re-rush. But I don't think any member of a NPC group is publicly going to label a group as "try to re-rush" because we all know that at some campus it's our group in that position and a lot of us sincerely want to see all the groups succeed.