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Originally Posted by EE-BO

But here is the rebuttal- this is your point of view....

Just as you have your point of view.

I have my own personal strong feelings on gay marriage-...

As most people do!

And in doing so, I have to say I have no problem with same-sex "unions"...

Others might.

.....ultimately we are all relying on life experience to inform our beliefs at any given point.

So true, so true.

I appreciate your views on natural order- but that does not change how certain individuals feel and function.

And the same can be said for the opposing viewpoint.

And being part of a truly free and progressive society is accepting how individuals might feel.

Utopia, a great destination.

I have little regard for bisexuality, transgender and other various practices down that road which are driven by polyamorous appetites or a desire to change one's self out of what I see as a lack of self esteem. Maybe that is me being limited.

Why? Don't these people deserve as much right to their human rights as anyone else? To express themselves freely and openly?

And such feelings so innate to our own sense of self-worth and happiness must be respected in a truly free society where legal protections are offered to those who chose to legally bind themselves to each other.

Good luck with this in terms of gay marriage...not all societies feel this way.

There is absolutely no reason why, in the spirit of what America is all about, that homosexuals should not be able to form legal bonds and enjoy the same legal protections that heterosexuals do.

Bolded to highlight a point - the "spirit of America" is constantly changing. In my home county in my state the number of Hispanics have now outnumbered all other ethnic and racial groups. Hispanics tend to be very traditional in terms of family and religion. It's been my experience that the Hispanic community tends to be anti-gay.

That is the real debate.

To which there may be no end.....

Bring religion into it- and we are no better than Nazis, the Taliban or any other fanatically religious group that seeks to abuse religious belief to enforce personal and political beliefs. And I would argue that "natural order", Darwinistic beliefs (the importance of reproduction of species) effectively constitute religion in these situations since they are an attempt to force a set of personal beliefs- no matter how intelligently or emotionally powerful- on people who might not share those beliefs.


And when "religion" is taken out of the equation- I really do not see where there is any debate.

For some people religion is the "equation".

In the end, I think all roads- moral and mundane- point to allowing same sex unions, regardless of what any of us individually think about the issue.

Again, bolded to emphasize that this is your opinion, which you are free to express as are others are free to express theirs.