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Originally Posted by RACooper

Please cite credible or respected academic sources (note this doesn't include Communist Convent/Monastery fantasy novellas) that back up this claim - both Catholic and non-Catholic sources would be nice.

Well, why don't you prove to me that the long list of books I have read were not written by communists? As quick as you are to dismiss my positions, you don't really need the list of actual books to do that do you?

Do you deny that Spain, under the regime of Ferdinand and Isabella who were wholly enamored of the Catholic Church, expelled Jews and tortured its own citizens to achieve a stronger empire in the name of religion? Are you a Holocaust denier too?

I am sorry, but I am not going to give you a bibliography of over a decade's study. If you want to get educated- go out and start reading for yourself. I am not vilifying every person who was ever a Catholic, but merely talking about the corruption that evolved when the Church became a major world power.

Is it so hard for you to imagine that? Have you ever heard of the Taliban? Does the existence of the Taliban prove the Muslim religion to be inherently corrupt? Of course not. It merely proves yet again that religion used as a political and economic influence can have horrific results.

Originally Posted by RACooper

So singular cases and people prove a centuries long conspiracy? Citing singular sources in furtherance of a argument showing systemic abuse wouldn't net you a passing grade in most schools...

I am giving you just one cited example- and it is a pretty damn big one. How would you feel if your kid got a blow job from a Priest and you found out later that your Cardinal had moved the guy to your congregation after he was accused of doing the same elsewhere? Or are you one of those guys who would tell your kid to just keep quiet and not make waves?

Originally Posted by RACooper

Because the Pope exercised his prerogative under Canon Law to deal with the Cardinal "in-house"... and promotion doesn't always equal advancement or reward - particularlly if said promotion is effectively an exile.

Give me a break. We are talking about the molestation of children- not some guy taking money from petty cash. You are not denying the facts I presented on this issue. Does that mean you accept and support Law's and the Pope's decision on this matter?

Originally Posted by RACooper

Because again the exception doesn't prove the rule, no matter how much you wish it did - was Law a moron in trying to play the protector of the Church's rep? Yes. Did he make a colossal mistake in not treating the complaints credibly? Yes. Did he err in accepting the offender's repentance as credible, and forgiving them? Maybe...

But this hardly the image of the Cardinal and Pope sitting down and figuring out how to facilitate the abuse of children that you imply.

You need to get educated on legal matters as well it seems. You don't have to sit down and premeditate child abuse to be morally culpable. Merely knowing about it and failing to act while it is ongoing is enough- in a legal sense as well as a moral sense. If you don't understand that, then I really have no reason to waste time trying to convince you.

Originally Posted by RACooper

Yes it is a stretch jackass because disconnected singular incidents doesn't make a vast connected conspiracy of systemic child abuse...

Disconnected singular incidents? Amazing...

I don't see what all the hang-up about this is. I am not condemning all Catholics- but rather some very serious issues in the governmental structure of the church.

Find me a significant body of work exposing a systemic sexual abuse of children by Baptists, Jews, Episcopalians, Muslims, Presbyterians, Lutherans, Buddhists, Zoroastrians (gotta throw that one in for a buddy of mine) or ANY other major religion in world history and then we can talk.