no need to get upset; I'm only saying that 14 and 15 year old founders don't always come up with inspiring and timeless rituals. They're just as likely to come up with silly rituals that might be considered hazing now. It doesn't mean that some other dedicated sister didn't come along a few years later and add more meaning and I'm not saying that sisters in some sororities don't share something meaningful - just that founders maybe didn't take their sorority as seriously when it was founded as one today might take it when one is initiated.
disclaimer: obviously I know that there are founders ranging in ages from 14 to 24 and that organizations were founded for a variety of reasons. Some may have been extremely serious at the time, some may have not. In fact, I can think of at least three that were not so seriously founded. I'm not trying to insult anyone's ritual or history. I just think the attitude of the founders is an interesting addition to the discussion of initiation.
