[DeltAlum]

N2

Nope. You're wrong.

I choose to obey the law. The reason for that is that I don't want my chapters closed. I want my fraternity to be able to get insurance. I don't want to be sued myself. I want our chapters to live in relative harmony with the university and other GLO's.

I AGREE that some definitions of hazing are stupid. None of what you explain on your partial list is a problem for me personally -- except that it's illegal. I don't know why it's illegal. I'd love to see it change. But I'm a grown up and have a job and family and I don't have time to lobby university administrations and state legislatures. I wish our nationals would, and try to bring some sanity to this whole mess. So why aren't they? Maybe because they know that it's a losing proposition. As James, I think, pointed out, some administrators aren't all that bright -- and that kind can be the most difficult to reason with.

So, our Delt chapters will either follow the rules, or risk being closed or reorganized.

By my Fraternal Oath, I swore to support my fraternity and not to harm her in any way. I'll bet your oath said something similar. As a division officer I am expected to carry out the rules and regulations made by our Arch Chapter and Undergraduate Council. Kind of like a lawyer, who is a sworn officer of the court, who doesn't agree with a law, but must advise his/her client to obey it or be ready and able to pay the consequences. Like a cop who is duty bound to enforce a law that he/she may not agree with.

Please, let's not hide behind this "PC" thing. Had the term been "invented" in my college generation, those who made the decision to dodge the draft and/or move to Canada (and no, before it even starts, I was not one of them) would have considered those who decided we would serve in Viet Nam as "PC." Whether we agreed with the war or not. That term is a total copout. It's a propaganda tool used to describe compliance by anyone with anything that anyone else doesn't agree with.

So, let's cut the garbage here. I'm tired of hearig about it. Either live with it or change it. Until that happens, though, fight it at your own peril.

By the way, N2, the above comments are made mostly about the things you write on your list. I would love to see the rest of the list/program. I have absolutely no tolerance for ANY action which endangers the health or safety of any human being.